Is Ted Cruz undermining Rand Paul?

[Peace&Freedom]

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Clinton had YEARS under her belt and Obama was barely a Senator.

That's why the PTB running both parties put up two establishment contenders as 'frontunners,' so in case they blow it pushing one of them, they can proceed with the other as a plan B. The thing to remember about Obarry is that the PTB includes the entire establishment, not just the major party leaders.

Soetoro appears to have been groomed and shepherded into the White House for well over a decade, by players including the CIA (who fudged/massaged his basic documents, which is the real reason they have been protected like Fort Knox from before the time he was President). The elite plan A all along may have been O first, Hil second.

 

[libertygold]

That's why the PTB running both parties put up two establishment contenders as 'frontunners,' so in case they blow it pushing one of them, they can proceed with the other as a plan B. The thing to remember about Obarry is that the PTB includes the entire establishment, not just the major party leaders.

Soetoro appears to have been groomed and shepherded into the White House for well over a decade, by players including the CIA (who fudged/massaged his basic documents, which is the real reason they have been protected like Fort Knox from before the time he was President). The elite plan A all along may have been O first, Hil second.

I don't think that conspiracy theory really pans out. Birtherism won't get anyone anywhere anyway because they released the birth certificate. We should talk about the greatness of our ideas and not get lost in conspiracy theories. Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible to be president- he just happens to be a bad one.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Rafael Ted Cruze has been umdermining himelf more than anyone else.

He seems to have Bush complex.




Here he is showboating and not praying for liberation of occupied Christions in Holy Land:

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I don't think that conspiracy theory really pans out. Birtherism won't get anyone anywhere anyway because they released the birth certificate. We should talk about the greatness of our ideas and not get lost in conspiracy theories. Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible to be president- he just happens to be a bad one.

Obarry 'released' a substantially photoshopped copy of a pdf file to the public (after months of denying he even had one, and after the new Governor of Hawaii could not locate it when he checked, to resolve the matter). It would never have withstood a vetting in court, which is why he spent millions on lawyers to keep the original document from ever getting out of his hands. At least one parent had allegiance to the British government, which is a disqualifier for the child's natural born citizenship as per original intent. And his Indonesian citizenship (confirmed by Indonesian school records, and his reassertion there as a young adult) bar him from claims of US citizenship by the laws of both countries (i.e., if he ever was a natural born citizen, he renounced it when asserting one for Indonesia).

By constitutional/original intent standards Obama is not a natural born citizen, and we should never be cowed into disregarding this, or any other constitutional issue. In fact, the greatness of our ideas has been frequently defeated by orchestrated maneuvers, and so it should also be talked about. Wake up, off our knees, heads out of the sand time. The broader point I was making regarded the whole package of representations made for Barry, including A LOT of his records throughout his younger life, which were manufactured or massaged, and now buried and stonewalled, by way of US intelligence. It is well documented (not theories, CIA documents) that he and his family appear to have been a cutout for the CIA:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/09/sherwood-ross/obama-and-his-family-tied-to-cia-foryears/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/09/wayne-madsen/the-story-of-obama-allinthecompany/

What other mere state senator got to have a keynote speech at a Democratic convention? Or have three more strongly situated opponents abruptly collapse during the 2004 IL US Senate race, paving the way for Obarry? My point was not to rehash the docs issue, but to simply point to how much of his career was 'designed' and steered to get him in front of the line for getting into the White House, by the permanent bureaucracy. He's not just a 'bad one,' the apparatus of the MIC and intelligence complex appear to have put him over on all of us, qualifications (or lack of same) be danged. Could the same deeper steering be going on with relation to Ted Cruz, another person with questionable standing? Stay tuned, heads out of the sand time...

 

[libertygold]

So basically you are staying that the intelligence community groomed and put Obama in power and they are currently doing the same with Ted Cruz? It is an interesting theory but I'd have to see more evidence of that. Until I do I will assume they are just typical self-serving politicians.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

So basically you are staying that the intelligence community groomed and put Obama in power and they are currently doing the same with Ted Cruz? It is an interesting theory but I'd have to see more evidence of that. Until I do I will assume they are just typical self-serving politicians.

I don't have the hard evidence for Cruz, but the vibes flow in the same direction. Rand has certainly had to earn his stripes as a Tea Party leader for years, whereas Cruz seems to have been "rocketed" into that position from almost out of nowhere. Basically, when somebody is in deep with the Bushes, you might as well call them at least a CIA asset. The last four presidents (Bush going forward) appear to be, or definitely were deeply CIA connected or shepherded.

 

[libertygold]

I don't have the hard evidence for Cruz, but the vibes flow in the same direction. Rand has certainly had to earn his stripes as a Tea Party leader for years, whereas Cruz seems to have been "rocketed" into that position from almost out of nowhere. Basically, when somebody is in deep with the Bushes, you might as well call them at least a CIA asset. The last four presidents (Bush going forward) appear to be, or definitely were deeply CIA connected or shepherded.

I think Cruz rocketing has more to do with social media and the political environment we are in.

 

[mosquitobite]

I don't have the hard evidence for Cruz, but the vibes flow in the same direction. Rand has certainly had to earn his stripes as a Tea Party leader for years, whereas Cruz seems to have been "rocketed" into that position from almost out of nowhere. Basically, when somebody is in deep with the Bushes, you might as well call them at least a CIA asset. The last four presidents (Bush going forward) appear to be, or definitely were deeply CIA connected or shepherded.

I think Rubio definitely fits this mold. I think anyone the media brands as "tea party" without the person really being rocketed by the grassroots as such is someone we should be skeptical of. I think Cruz really did ride in on the tails of the tea party in TX though.

Rand has only been in the Senate for 4 years. I wouldn't call that long enough to earn stripes. He got his cred from his dad; just like Cruz loses some because of his wife.

 

[libertygold]

I think Rubio definitely fits this mold. I think anyone the media brands as "tea party" without the person really being rocketed by the grassroots as such is someone we should be skeptical of. I think Cruz really did ride in on the tails of the tea party in TX though.

Rand has only been in the Senate for 4 years. I wouldn't call that long enough to earn stripes. He got his cred from his dad; just like Cruz loses some because of his wife.

Being skeptical of them is fine. But that is different than spouting conspiracy theories about the cia putting them where they are.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Being skeptical of them is fine. But that is different than spouting conspiracy theories about the cia putting them where they are.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave McGowan, Derailing Democracy

"You don't need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are Agency people at the management level." -- William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee

Spouting, schmouting, in the case of Obarry the evidence is already in. The point remains, it is widely admitted and documented that the CIA is deeply embedded in the media and political establishment, often steering who gets the most attention, to influence elections and coverage of same. It is clearly not just the two parties at work, so discussions that leave out the likely role of US intelligence altogether, are deeply misleading and incomplete.

 

[libertygold]

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave McGowan, Derailing Democracy

"You don't need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are Agency people at the management level." -- William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee

Spouting, schmouting, in the case of Obarry the evidence is already in. The point remains, it is widely admitted and documented that the CIA is deeply embedded in the media and political establishment, often steering who gets the most attention, to influence elections and coverage of same. It is clearly not just the two parties at work, so discussions that leave out the likely role of US intelligence altogether, are deeply misleading and incomplete.

Then why did Reagan win the primary against Bush Sr. in 1980? Since Bush was a CIA man wouldn't it follow from your premise that he would have defeated Reagan in 1980? Why would the CIA pick Reagan over him?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Then why did Reagan win the primary against Bush Sr. in 1980? Since Bush was a CIA man wouldn't it follow from your premise that he would have defeated Reagan in 1980? Why would the CIA pick Reagan over him?

They didn't. The establishment isn't always successful in steering the elections, as seen in the Reagan case. But they did arm-twist him into picking Bush as his VP, and Reagan did get shot during the first spring of his Presidency (by John Hinckley, the son of one of Bush's neighbors). When plan A fails...

Thereafter, to no surprise, Bush's influence increasingly dominated the Reagan presidency, especially on foreign policy. And once Bush became President, there have been no more Reagans, as the PTB have since perfected their steering process over Presidential elections, and CIA lock over the White House.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Hinckley actually missed Reagan. Hinckley was a blubbering mind-controlled loon (armed w/ a .45 BTW, not a .22). Reagan was injured by some kind of exotic weapon wielded by the Secret Service agent who "saved" him by tackling him into the car. Reagan saved himself by ordering the car to GWU Hospital instead of Bethesda and ordering fresh-of-the-boat Navy enlisted men to serve as security at GWU.

The Hinckleys & Bushes are more than just neighbors, they are cousins with significant business connections and of course the Hinckleys are regular Bush donors. Hinckley Sr was on the board of Worldvision, a CIA-brainwashing op. Mark David Chapman, whose movements in New York Hinckley Jr literally followed in the footsteps of, was a "volunteer" for Worldvision overseas.

 

[libertygold]

I don't think these conspiracy theories have anything to them. If the Clinton's were CIA assets then why didn't Hillary win the primary in 2008?

 

[RandallFan]

Drudge always quotes Netanyahu. Some of these conservatives want to bomb Iran with no ground invasion. The problem is Rand Paul's policies are probably most popular amongst right leaning voters who don't always go to GOP primaries. Like Buchanan in the 1990's. His policies would have been popular amongst future Republican voters. Christie has problems with gays, Muslims and illegals. His only genuine conservative supporter is Steve King who is a Cruz supporter as well. It might be just for fundraising purposes to have the big boy give speeches in Iowa. Steve King was probably Christie's first supporter in DC when he testified about Corzine's shady supporters.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...teve_kings_remarks_on_illegal_immigrants.html
But Christie he would not rule out raising campaign funds the Iowa Republican in the future.

I think it could end up being someone like Scott Walker who says only Governors know how to move pens.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I don't think these conspiracy theories have anything to them. If the Clinton's were CIA assets then why didn't Hillary win the primary in 2008?

The CIA had two shepherded candidates in the race with O and Hil, so either way they were going to win, and let the two fight it out. Hillary blundered away her opportunity in the primaries, but was going cause a stink at the convention. The Bilderbergs weighed in before their Virginia meeting in June 2008, and brokered a deal where Obama would get the nomination without further hassle, in exchange for Hillary becoming Secretary of State and getting a clear path in 2016.

Indications that both Clintons were CIA handled proxies goes back to their college days. The cover-up of over 50 different Clinton scandals (by the Clinton White House's own count, circa 2000) would not have been possible without establishment and CIA support.

 

[libertygold]

The CIA had two shepherded candidates in the race with O and Hil, so either way they were going to win, and let the two fight it out. Hillary blundered away her opportunity in the primaries, but was going cause a stink at the convention. The Bilderbergs weighed in before their Virginia meeting in June 2008, and brokered a deal where Obama would get the nomination without further hassle, in exchange for Hillary becoming Secretary of State and getting a clear path in 2016.

Indications that both Clintons were CIA handled proxies goes back to their college days. The cover-up of over 40 different Clinton scandals (by the Clinton White House's own count, circa 2000) would not have been possible without establishment and CIA support.

Powerful politicians have covered up scandals long before there was a CIA.

 

[libertygold]

I wonder if the Bush family has also been behind the political fall of Christie. I don't like Christie- I think he is just another liberal jerk but one does have to wonder if the Bush's didn't somehow help push the scandal behind the scenes to get rid of Jeb's main competitor. I also wondered that about Rand and the plagiarizing thing. Who was feeding Maddow the information?

 

[compromise]

I wonder if the Bush family has also been behind the political fall of Christie. I don't like Christie- I think he is just another liberal jerk but one does have to wonder if the Bush's didn't somehow help push the scandal behind the scenes to get rid of Jeb's main competitor. I also wondered that about Rand and the plagiarizing thing. Who was feeding Maddow the information?

Huntsman

 

[libertygold]

Huntsman

Do you really think so? I don't think he is going to run again.