Is Ted Cruz undermining Rand Paul?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

It doesn't matter. OFA needs a black guy on the 2016 ticket to keep their people energized and in the game. Booker is it. They will go the wall with the vote fraud tomorrow for it if they need to. And Christie will let them, in exchange for OFA & "Holder's people" backing off his gubernatorial election in three weeks.

"Holder's People" has to be one of the least-subtle racial dog whistles ever devised by the conservative blog crowd. Right there with "Obama's son".

 

[libertygold]

ted cruz was like the best thing that could've happened to rand.

You could be right. Time will tell. Cruz just strikes me as being all about himself and will be eager to split the liberty movement for his own gain.

 

[ObiRandKenobi]

You could be right. Time will tell. Cruz just strikes me as being all about himself and will be eager to split the liberty movement for his own gain.

he votes with rand most of the time so im not going to impugn his motives. but looks clear he hurt his presidential chances while very improving rand's.

 

[PaleoPaul]

There's a petition circulating for Ted Cruz to be charged with sedition and to be expelled from the Senate. If anything, he's the most toxic and unliked person in politics right now.

This couldn't have worked out ANY better for Rand.

 

[libertygold]

"Holder's People" has to be one of the least-subtle racial dog whistles ever devised by the conservative blog crowd. Right there with "Obama's son".

Is it really racist though? I mean what about when people talked about "Bush's people" or with Nixon, "All The President's Men" ?

 

[libertygold]

There's a petition circulating for Ted Cruz to be charged with sedition and to be expelled from the Senate. If anything, he's the most toxic and unliked person in politics right now.

This couldn't have worked out ANY better for Rand.

I hear you but check this out - http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/1...th-cruz-despite-defeat-in-washington.html?hp=

Cruz is still very popular in Texas and that could be bad for Rand.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

I hear you but check this out - http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/1...th-cruz-despite-defeat-in-washington.html?hp=

Cruz is still very popular in Texas and that could be bad for Rand.

This is a puff piece with no statistical indication of their claim.. It's a couple of anecdotes and opinion based observations. Our primary might be early enough this cycle to matter, but not early enough for it to matter for Ted Cruz.

 

[libertygold]

This is a puff piece with no statistical indication of their claim.. It's a couple of anecdotes and opinion based observations. Our primary might be early enough this cycle to matter, but not early enough for it to matter for Ted Cruz.

We'll see. I think Cruz will be popular in Texas because of his image now as a fighter.

 

[libertygold]

Anyone listen to this and think he won't run for president? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVnS3N_J3E

 

[libertygold]

| ron |---------------> | rand |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> | everybody else | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->| rand haters |

that's the problem

Haha. Fairly accurate. Where do you put Gary Johnson in there though? Might be unfair to just lump him in with "everybody else". Gary is owed his due.

 

[libertygold]

I thought we were the civil war in the party and that we started it a few years ago.

The media always loves pushing the narrative of the GOP being in a civil war. lol. Although maybe to some extent it is true at least that the liberty movement is at war with the neo-cons within the Republican party.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

You could be right. Time will tell. Cruz just strikes me as being all about himself and will be eager to split the liberty movement for his own gain.

The middle position, that Cruz performed his firebrand stunts to position himself or Paul Ryan later, BUT the real triangulation effect was actually to benefit the positioning of Rand, seems to be the most accurate summary of what has happened. Also remember with triangulation, the point is to create the perception of TWO radicalized sides (the firebrand's, and the response of the opposition), through which the 'statesman' can appear the moderate leader. Cruz's achievement includes making Rand present as the statesman, and making the media and Washington establishment look just as radicalized in shoving Obamacare, plus endless spending and borrowing "to infinity and beyond" onto the rest of us.

 

[libertygold]

The middle position, that Cruz performed his firebrand stunts to position himself or Paul Ryan later, BUT the real triangulation effect was actually to benefit the positioning of Rand, seems to be the most accurate summary of what has happened. Also remember with triangulation, the point is to create the perception of TWO radicalized sides (the firebrand's, and the response of the opposition), through which the 'statesman' can appear the moderate leader. Cruz's achievement includes making Rand present as the statesman, and making the media and Washington establishment look just as radicalized in shoving Obamacare, plus endless spending and borrowing "to infinity and beyond" onto the rest of us.

Do you think they planned that triangulation?

 

[jtstellar]

If you're putting yourself on the line--not just sitting behind a computer and b*tching about it--no, you're not harming liberty or rand paul, even if you disagree with him.

 

[libertygold]

You went on a forum to complain about people talking from behind a computer? lol.

 

[dcraelin]

I think the opening post got it exactly right.

Cruz has the rhetoric of an outsider but the resume of an insider.

The Goldman Sachs support of his Senate run very telling.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Do you think they planned that triangulation?

I think Cruz either planned the triangulation with Rand, or more likely, planned for it to benefit Paul Ryan or the "responsible" (hack establishment) Republicans, but Rand reaped the perceived 'stateman' outcome instead. The firebrand, in any case under the tactic, is supposed to take a bullet, while drawing the opposition in to also take a hit. Cruz was performing a role, but the jury is still out as to whether he was truly pushing Rand, or pushing the insiders.

 

[TaftFan]

I think the opening post got it exactly right.

Cruz has the rhetoric of an outsider but the resume of an insider.

The Goldman Sachs support of his Senate run very telling.

Goldman Sachs doesn't support anybody, their employees do.

 

[libertygold]

I think Cruz either planned the triangulation with Rand, or more likely, planned for it to benefit Paul Ryan or the "responsible" (hack establishment) Republicans, but Rand reaped the perceived 'stateman' outcome instead. The firebrand, in any case under the tactic, is supposed to take a bullet, while drawing the opposition in to also take a hit. Cruz was performing a role, but the jury is still out as to whether he was truly pushing Rand, or pushing the insiders.

From what I have seen about Ted Cruz, I think he is pushing the insiders. I could be wrong. I make mistakes like everyone, but it seems to me like he is too connected to the inside and is too much of an egomaniac to go through all of this just to help Rand.

 

[dcraelin]

Goldman Sachs doesn't support anybody, their employees do.

enough employees and I think by proxy you can say the company does