Is Social Security Welfare?

[TheTexan]

There's no way I'm continuing to pay into this ponzi scheme. I'll give it 2 years max for them to come up with an opt-out solution, then I'm packing my bags, and I'm opting out of this country.

 

[tod evans]

eat your loss?...ok, if your budget can allow for that then go for it. Personnally i like a roof over my head, food to eat, and way to keep warm. Is that asking too much for someone like me who worked his effin ass off for everything i have?

My budget can't allow for it but if it'd free my child from having to pay in then I'll forego the entitlements I've paid in to.

I can't ask anything of you or anyone else, it's not my place...

We can both see the mess our government is in and I would like to see it reigned in drastically.....My line in the sand if you will is welfare and medicare/aid........I'll give up SSI after these programs are totally eliminated..

 

[klamath]

My budget can't allow for it but if it'd free my child from having to pay in then I'll forego the entitlements I've paid in to.

I can't ask anything of you or anyone else, it's not my place...

We can both see the mess our government is in and I would like to see it reigned in drastically.....My line in the sand if you will is welfare and medicare/aid........I'll give up SSI after these programs are totally eliminated..

What i would like is the suplimental security income program looked at real closely. In my neck of the woods it is by far the most abused system. I know many people that receive full ssi for disability yet work under the table at jobs they should never be able to do. I know one woman that gets ssi because she couldn't stand crowds and therefore couldn't work.

 

[opal]

Last to the thread again.. only read page one.. for those that did NOT pay in and are collecting SS.. YES.. welfare, for those that did pay in .. not welfare but also not fair

 

[Humanae Libertas]

Social Security is an outdated primitive system that the dinosaurs don't want to admit doesn't work at all. People still think there is a savings account with their names in this social security trust fund, when there is no such thing. Definitely a Ponzi scheme.

 

[truelies]

Last to the thread again.. only read page one.. for those that did NOT pay in and are collecting SS.. YES.. welfare, for those that did pay in .. not welfare but also not fair

Agreed. However the desire of some of the young here to transferr ALL of the unfairness to the older generation just ain't gonna fly. Again whiny Gen Useless types- ya wanna be free of thee burden of SS for your elderly parents/grandparents? Fine. BUT FIRST- ya need to pay back every cent plus interest they spent bringing your worthless caress to 'maturity'. Can't have any 'free loaders' now can we.

 

[truelies]

There's no way I'm continuing to pay into this ponzi scheme. I'll give it 2 years max for them to come up with an opt-out solution, then I'm packing my bags, and I'm opting out of this country.

and go where? LMAO. Fool ya wanna trade $10,000 income taxed at 6% for SSI in for $1000 taxed at 0% for SSI (but all other prices unchanged) go for it. You won't be missed.

 

[dinosaur]

Agreed. However the desire of some of the young here to transferr ALL of the unfairness to the older generation just ain't gonna fly. Again whiny Gen Useless types- ya wanna be free of thee burden of SS for your elderly parents/grandparents? Fine. BUT FIRST- ya need to pay back every cent plus interest they spent bringing your worthless caress to 'maturity'. Can't have any 'free loaders' now can we.

Why don't you place the blame on the people who stole the money from you in the first place? Getting mad at the children and grandchildren who will suffer through an economic collapse because of this foolishness isn't cool.

 

[TheTexan]

and go where? LMAO. Fool ya wanna trade $10,000 income taxed at 6% for SSI in for $1000 taxed at 0% for SSI (but all other prices unchanged) go for it. You won't be missed.

Huh? English, do you speak it?

The bottom line is I won't ever see a dime of the money I'm paying in. That's just a fact. At least in other countries with similar tax rates you usually get at least something with the money stolen from you. Here I won't get shit.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Huh? English, do you speak it?

The bottom line is I won't ever see a dime of the money I'm paying in. That's just a fact. At least in other countries with similar tax rates you usually get at least something with the money stolen from you. Here I won't get shit.

How old are you, because if I remember it correctly, the Paul plan would have provided some sort of transition to a private investment account for what you have put in.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I've said this before but WHY are some people, apparently younger ones, so damn hell bent to trash boomers and their SSI?...why isn't the Military spending for bullshit wars and nation building not the main focus?...perhaps SSI should be put into the military budget, and to balance things out cancel these wars and nation building crap.

I don't think anyone is "hell bent to trash the boomers and their SSI". SSI just happens to be the subject of the thread. As you said, there are better places to start slashing, but that's off the thread topic.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Social Security is an outdated primitive system that the dinosaurs don't want to admit doesn't work at all. People still think there is a savings account with their names in this social security trust fund, when there is no such thing. Definitely a Ponzi scheme.

Yup.

 

[TheTexan]

How old are you, because if I remember it correctly, the Paul plan would have provided some sort of transition to a private investment account for what you have put in.

26. I believe I was just over the cut-off point of his plan. But yes any kind of opt-out or transition would be good.

 

[klamath]

Why don't you place the blame on the people who stole the money from you in the first place? Getting mad at the children and grandchildren who will suffer through an economic collapse because of this foolishness isn't cool.

Or better yet why not blame the people that haven't paid much of anything in scooping up as much government monies as they can in order to "break the system".......

 

[erowe1]

I've said this before but WHY are some people, apparently younger ones, so damn hell bent to trash boomers and their SSI?...why isn't the Military spending for bullshit wars and nation building not the main focus?...perhaps SSI should be put into the military budget, and to balance things out cancel these wars and nation building crap.

In my case, I make a point of demonizing Social Security because I'm trying to counteract its popularity. It shouldn't be the third rail of politics that it is. It should have the same stigma as welfare in general (which itself should have more of a stigma than it does now). And when groups like the AARP defend it, they should be called out on it and treated like cigarette companies used to be. I hope that I can help make negative talk about SS normal.

 

[squarepusher]

Social Security is a BIGGER cost than defense (800 billion in 2012), but more importantly will be ballooning in the upcoming years

 

[dinosaur]

Or better yet why not blame the people that haven't paid much of anything in scooping up as much government monies as they can in order to "break the system".......

We can agree on that one. The ends don't justify the means. And I"m not particularly keen on hastening the resulting human suffering.

 

[Yieu]

but are you forced to work?

In order to survive? By nature, yes. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to get by.

 

[klamath]

We can agree on that one. The ends don't justify the means. And I"m not particularly keen on hastening the resulting human suffering.

Unfortunately many of the people with this attitude don't know how well they have it. I live in an area with a lot of gold mining relics. When you find shovels worn down to a few inches and rock picks the same and you survey the miles of water ditches cut by hand through solid rock you start getting a clue just how hard people worked. When I hear how horrible people say their lives are I want to ask them how many rock picks they have worn to the head. They were doing it so they could eat.

 

[LibForestPaul]

I don't think anyone is "hell bent to trash the boomers and their SSI". SSI just happens to be the subject of the thread. As you said, there are better places to start slashing, but that's off the thread topic.

Because we are tired of hearing old people complain about illegals, complain about negroes, complain about everyone else sponging off the government, yet they always have excuses why they should have their bennies.