Is RP still legally able to declare a 3rd Party run?

[febo]

Just interested...

 

[Indy Vidual]

Yes, but...
He could not be on the ballot in every state, and now it is getting really late.

In a more perfect world:
With a combination of super-pacs and grassroots billionaires how much money would we need to raise to convince Ron to run this year?

 

[anaconda]

Just interested...

I would think he could latch onto the ticket in the Libertarian party as VP and essentially be seen as the de facto Presidential candidate or co-candidate.

 

[idiom]

He only needs to win 1/3 of the states... or so.

You don't need to win the popular vote at all.

 

[NewFederalist]

It is far too late.

 

[dean.engelhardt]

I would think he could latch onto the ticket in the Libertarian party as VP and essentially be seen as the de facto Presidential candidate or co-candidate.

Interesting. The best thing to happen is RP winning the GOP nomination. This would be the second best thing to happen.

 

[NewFederalist]

Deadlines have already passed to qualify for the ballot in CA (55 EVs) and TX (38 EVs) as well as PA (20 EVs), IL (20 EVs) and IN (11 EVs) and about a dozen other states. As I said, it is far too late.

 

[Carehn]

For the love of God people!!! He is not going to run third party.

 

[ninepointfive]

He would need an entirely new campaign staff to turn around the ship, but it's probably not possible anyways.

 

[kahless]

I would think he could latch onto the ticket in the Libertarian party as VP and essentially be seen as the de facto Presidential candidate or co-candidate.

A Johnson/Paul ticket complement one another weaknesses. A former Republican governor with a media narrative that has provided a Conservative track record, he is relatively unknown to people and without the labels baggage that Ron has. Ron could bring his notoriety, grassroots and supporters to the ticket.

 

[ninepointfive]

A Johnson/Paul ticket complement one another weaknesses. A former Republican governor with a media narrative that has provided a Conservative track record, he is relatively unknown to people and without the labels baggage that Ron has. Ron could bring his notoriety, grassroots and supporters to the ticket.

I'd be on board

 

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

Relevant

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

I'll start to indulge this idea after the convention if needed... but would like to see Dr. Paul debate Ryan on the budget and Biden on foreign policy...

 

[69360]

Ron isn't running third party, he's stated it over and over again. The LP VP candidate is Jim Gray.

 

[sailingaway]

It is far too late.

actually, 42 states allow write in, and Ron once said MAYBE he could be convinced that 3d party candidates using matching funds isn't as bad because of the ballot access and legal monopoly benefits to the other two parties (although he refused them running GOP last time.) And if he actually did take $39 million in matching funds he's entitled to, I bet the LP and GJ might be willing to make RP P and GJ VP to win the undying adoration of Ron's supporters going forward, and GJ is young enough to run next time (in fact he's already said if he loses he is planning to.)

NOw do I think that is going to happen? Not at all, but Ron definitely has the options if he wants them.

 

[Aratus]

he has not totally totaly closed the door on any of this.
this is being said as tampa looms with an eventuality!!!!!

 

[anaconda]

Ron isn't running third party, he's stated it over and over again. The LP VP candidate is Jim Gray.

Gray would obviously have to step down. I think everyone involved would be all over this. And, by the way, Ron was always responding to questions about running for President as a third party candidate, not and Vice President. Plus Ron never said "no" unequivocally. He was clearly careful not to.

 

[sailingaway]

Gray would obviously have to step down. I think everyone involved would be all over this. And, by the way, Ron was always responding to questions about running for President as a third party candidate, not and Vice President. Plus Ron never said "no" unequivocally. He was clearly careful not to.

IF Ron went LP it would be as Pres. LP would have to want the gratitude of his followers, and POSSIBLY his $39 mill matching funds (if Ron is willing to file for those). Ron as LP VP isn't worth running for, imho. The point would be the presidential debates, and RON SHOULD get into those. Mind you, polls can be scheduled at 'bad' moments etc. so I guess there is never a guarantee of that.

 

[anaconda]

actually, 42 states allow write in, and Ron once said MAYBE he could be convinced that 3d party candidates using matching funds isn't as bad because of the ballot access and legal monopoly benefits to the other two parties (although he refused them running GOP last time.) And if he actually did take $39 million in matching funds he's entitled to, I bet the LP and GJ might be willing to make RP P and GJ VP to win the undying adoration of Ron's supporters going forward, and GJ is young enough to run next time (in fact he's already said if he loses he is planning to.)

NOw do I think that is going to happen? Not at all, but Ron definitely has the options if he wants them.

I am worried that the LP will be stricken from the ballot in sore loser states if Ron were to be the LP Presidential nominee. But couldn't accepting Gary Johnson's VP slot do a complete end run around sore loser laws? And, besides, everyone would view it as essentially a de facto "dual Presidential ticket." It would likely be a 15% poll win and national debates.

 

[sailingaway]

I am worried that the LP will be stricken from the ballot in sore loser states if Ron were to be the LP Presidential nominee. But couldn't accepting Gary Johnson's VP slot do a complete end run around sore loser laws? And, besides, everyone would view it as essentially a de facto "dual Presidential ticket." It would likely be a 15% poll win and national debates.

I think sore loser laws don't apply to Pres election because of the constitution and the fact you are voting for ELECTORS -- this might be the time to challenge it. Or they could put something else on the ballot in TX and the few others with issues. Just the party could go on, for example. Ron wouldn't get in the debates otherwise, and he'd be the one who'd get the poll numbers to get there.

I don't think Ron will do it but if they shaft his delegates and don't seat enough for him to be nominated from the floor (which would require outright cheating by credentials if they failed to seat that many, imho) he might be pissed enough, or his supporters might be pissed enough to persuade him.