Is Ron Campaigning Effectively?

One of the reasons, anyone can't get any sh!t done when they become president, it's because they sort of con their constituents into voting for them & then when the constituents find out about their other issues, they don't support them anymore because they don't have any philosophical understanding of the issue.


Look, I'm not saying, he shouldn't target older voters at all, I'm just saying it's a low-probability cause because media has already portrayed him as the kooky, drug-legaliser, anti-American & the truth is that these people do vote based on media.

And Santorum didn't win because he stumbled upon some grand strategy, it's just that people are completely undecided, just look at the results, first it was Romney then Newt & since people aren't sure about them, they decided to go for Santorum this time but this surge of his likely won't last long because again, it's not some grand strategy, it's just pure indecision & confusion of the electorate


That's a long way away, we weren't doing that well in MN but look, the local Paulites put in the hard-work & it has turned out to be one of our best performances so far, we didn't win but we came a good second & we're gonna take a lot delegates from there.

To my mind, if we lose hope & panick & so on then we're playing right into the media's hands, this is how they dictate elections, with all the hype about the early states; we mustn't play into their hands & keep working like MN Paulites did & we definitely will see some good results :)

But anyways, here's a nice suggestion to get older voters on-board :


:D
I would argue we did the best in MN so far, 27.1% with 4 candidates. In NH we got 22.9% with more candidates, but if you give RP 26% (22.9/(39.3+22.9+16.9+9.4)) of those those not in the top 4 (10.7%), he still only gets 25.7%, not as good as MN.

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/nh

I agree with your comments on Santorum. There's not much difference between him and Gingrich and Romney on the big issues, gov't spending and empire.
 
What are talking about?
What is so 'fractured' about this campaign?

Wow, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? lol The GOP is not united currently. The current four represent the current state of the GOP. Romney = establishment/wealthy Rep. Gingrinch = Good 'ol boy Rep. Paul = Anti-War/Libertarian Rep. and Santorum = Evengelicals

Sprinkle in the tea party in alittle bit of each of those.

Romney is the front-runner and will easily win the nomination.
Santorum is irrelevant outside a few religious nut-job states. No different than Huckabee.

Check your math. Santorum has now won more states than Romney. If it weren't for a winner-take-all Florida, he'd be screwed.

You really need to get some perspective.

Ron Paul is not campaigning 'smarter.'

He's not campaigning at all, in case you haven't noticed.

Name me a single TV ad that ran in any of the past three states.
Name me a single town-hall meeting.
Name me a single meeting at a factory or rest-home.
Give me a single sentence from a single speech made in any of the past three states that dealt with a local issue.

Give it a rest.

Ron Paul is turning into a Noam Chomsky type... some old guy that gives lectures on college campuses that nobody really understands or cares about, but for some reason has the aura of being hip and rebellious. That's not the foundation for a campaign. It is, however, the foundation for a good retirement, so long as it doesn't turn into some creepy kind of Ayn Randish cult...

You're a member from '07...you should know better than this. Ron Paul has been running a campaign that he wants to run and he's gained doubled or tripled his votes in many places. Why are you on RPF if you hate his campaign style so much?
 
OK,maybe persistently placing 2nd or worse will get Paul the nomination, especially with winner-take-all states coming up soon. "Why try to take the path of the Golden Boy (1st place finishes)?" is probably one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen at RPFs.

You take the path of 1st place finishes because that is how you win.

Glad I placed first place in some category! Stupidest comment ever! :D

So whoever has the most 1st place finishes by the convention wins the nomination? Sure about that? I could have sworn it had something to do with a delegate count.

Obviously winner-take-all states matter, but we've only had one of those so far. He's no worse for wear.
 
They're scared of this for some reason.

I don't think Ron is scared. He's fearless. My guess is his handlers are afraid he'll say the wrong thing when questioned.

It reminds me of all of the Libertarian Party campaigns I watched for 20+ years. The people that run these campaigns are afraid that people will find out what we really think and the whole campaign becomes a hide-your-light-under-a-bushel endeavor.

The cool thing is that Ron can't help himself from saying what he really thinks when he's give whatever lee-way he's given. But somebody's got him in this tightly structured system and they're not letting him out.

What happened to repeating the Iowa success in other states. You hold a "Veterans Rally" in each state, you hold a major rally on a few college campuses, and then you do smaller events tailored to pro-life people, pro-gun people, pro raw milk whatever...where are the campaign strategists and operatives working the little local groups?
 
Wow, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? lol The GOP is not united currently. The current four represent the current state of the GOP. Romney = establishment/wealthy Rep. Gingrinch = Good 'ol boy Rep. Paul = Anti-War/Libertarian Rep. and Santorum = Evengelicals

Sprinkle in the tea party in alittle bit of each of those.



Check your math. Santorum has now won more states than Romney. If it weren't for a winner-take-all Florida, he'd be screwed.



You're a member from '07...you should know better than this. Ron Paul has been running a campaign that he wants to run and he's gained doubled or tripled his votes in many places. Why are you on RPF if you hate his campaign style so much?

For the same reason I am -- because I support him. I don't worship him.

If he's not in Maine from now through Saturday, he's not serious.
 
Bushlied exactly what I said far earlier in the thread, Santorum is winning because he doing retail politics, staying in a State for longer than a day or two, having numerous town hall meetings, dinner speeches and rallies. Meeting alot of people in alot of places in a State.

Jetting from one or two college rallies or town halls in one or at the most two days simply is not enough time on the ground.

The scoreboard is showing Santorum 4 wins (three in caucus's, our strong point??) and Ron zero as of today.

We are all hoping for a win in Maine on Saturday, but Ron should be there already. If you want to win it you have to fight for it.

Also, if you haven't noticed donations have crashed in the last two weeks. No wins, no dollars!!! And finally, I am beginning to sense that some RP Supporters are drifting away already.

Pray for Maine, we need a win, BAD!!
 
I will agree that he needs to push harder in winner-take-all-states. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but Florida would have been an excellent opportunity for a practice run given the trouble with seniors.
 
Bushlied exactly what I said far earlier in the thread, Santorum is winning because he doing retail politics, staying in a State for longer than a day or two, having numerous town hall meetings, dinner speeches and rallies. Meeting alot of people in alot of places in a State.

Jetting from one or two college rallies or town halls in one or at the most two days simply is not enough time on the ground.

The scoreboard is showing Santorum 4 wins (three in caucus's, our strong point??) and Ron zero as of today.

We are all hoping for a win in Maine on Saturday, but Ron should be there already. If you want to win it you have to fight for it.

Also, if you haven't noticed donations have crashed in the last two weeks. No wins, no dollars!!! And finally, I am beginning to sense that some RP Supporters are drifting away already.

Pray for Maine, we need a win, BAD!!

We definitely need to win Maine and that will give the campaign the donation boost it needs. I just wish the campaign understood that this is such a do or die moment and went all out in Maine. They need the money, we need the win, let's all do what we can to make it happen.
 
Isn't Dr. Paul the only one of the four with a serious day job? He's got to go back to Washington and Texas occasionally. Anyway, the campaign has a serious delegate strategy. Many of these first place finishes you seek are merely straw polls. Heck, even Missouri isn't meeting till next month.

It's not always orthodox by all appearances, but who seriously thought Ron Paul could win in an orthodox manner? I'm not saying that some criticism is necessary, but why do you expect him to fundamentally shift his campaign strategy this late in the race?
 
Santorum has the entire GOP establishment and MSM backing him. It's hardly a fair fight. I think Ron does as much as any damn person could ask for.
It takes mega millions to get out the votes for Paul because the media and radio hosts distort anything he says, so to overcome it it takes money. Santorum can ride on the media waves as he's sooo easy to beat they are making a way for him to stay in with low funds, same for Gingrich.

Romney or Paul are harder for Obama to beat.
Speaking of the media, here are 2 negative stories I found today. I saw articles claiming double reimbursement yesterday before the MN, CO, MO caucuses. As the comments in the 1st article say, why would RP intentionally double bill for travel expenses and forgo his Congressional pension, makes no sense.

Ron Paul Spokesman Accuses Roll Call Magazine Of Publishing Stolen Documents In Expose Detailing Double Charged Expenses
http://www.ology.com/politics/ron-p...publishing-stolen-documents-expose-detailing-

Ron Paul reimbursed twice for airline tickets: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-usa-campaign-paul-idUSTRE8151W320120208

Where's the inflation? It's Ron Paul versus Ben Bernanke
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/economy/2012/02/08/4594/wheres-inflation-its-ron-paul-versus-ben-bernanke/

Bernanke-Led Economy Proves Critics Clueless About Fed Policies
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...08/bloomberg_articlesLYZENY1A74E901-LZ1R5.DTL
 
Why are you on RPF if you hate his campaign style so much?

I really don't know....

I really like blimps. That's why I signed up back in the day.

Then, against my better judgment, I somehow remembered by password (and, no... it is not "ILUVBLIMPS") and found myself morbidly sucked into this death spiral for the second time.

It's like a slow-motion trainwreck... Just can't quit watching.

"There is a secret Delegate Strategy!"

"I'm glad we're not in First Place... at least we're not a target."

"Ron knows what he is doing... Don't underestimate the importance of the Lack Jackson, Texas vote... it's more important than Maine."

"If only Newt and Santorum dropped out then we would be in second place!"

The stuff you read on this forum is downright bizarre.

What can I say... it's an illness. I need help. I am an avid reader of the official North Korean webpage for the same reason; just profound never-ending wonderment that people actual believe this stuff.

Don't get me wrong... I'd vote for Ron Paul. And, real honestly, anything I say or do on this message forum won't make a bit of difference regarding his likelihood of winning the election. There are some who'd disagree, of course. Some think my trollish comments will result in a wave of despair and hopelessness descending down upon potential RP voters. I disagree, though.

Anyway, why are you here?
 
Isn't Dr. Paul the only one of the four with a serious day job? He's got to go back to Washington and Texas occasionally. Anyway, the campaign has a serious delegate strategy. Many of these first place finishes you seek are merely straw polls. Heck, even Missouri isn't meeting till next month.

That's moronic horseshit and you goddamn well know it and everyone here knows it. There is no delegate strategy if we're losing 80-20 in all the winner-take-all states. There will be no wins if we're not winning now, glorified straw poll or not, because then Romney will end up the presumptive nominee and Ron Paul will just be that guy hanging around to get a plank into the platform which no one reads or make a speech which no one will listen to. And we don't win now if we're not going all-out at the state we have the best chance of winning so far, with nothing else coming for three weeks.

I'm not in Maine. The most I can do is phone from home at this point. And I will do that. But the campaign needs to be doing more.

And another thing. It's not late in the race. Seven states have voted. The only realistic scenario in which we have a chance involves the race going all the way into June.
 
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I really don't know....

I really like blimps. That's why I signed up back in the day.

Then, against my better judgment, I somehow remembered by password (and, no... it is not "ILUVBLIMPS") and found myself morbidly sucked into this death spiral for the second time.

It's like a slow-motion trainwreck... Just can't quit watching.

"There is a secret Delegate Strategy!"

"I'm glad we're not in First Place... at least we're not a target."

"Ron knows what he is doing... Don't underestimate the importance of the Lack Jackson, Texas vote... it's more important than Maine."

"If only Newt and Santorum dropped out then we would be in second place!"

The stuff you read on this forum is downright bizarre.

What can I say... it's an illness. I need help. I am an avid reader of the official North Korean webpage for the same reason; just profound never-ending wonderment that people actual believe this stuff.

Don't get me wrong... I'd vote for Ron Paul. And, real honestly, anything I say or do on this message forum won't make a bit of difference regarding his likelihood of winning the election. There are some who'd disagree, of course. Some think my trollish comments will result in a wave of despair and hopelessness descending down upon potential RP voters. I disagree, though.

Anyway, why are you here?

Stick around Babylon, maybe your blimp-instincts were correct:

blimp1.gif


If we barrage Ron with Peace & Sound Money blimps maybe it will shake him out of this Noam Chomsky-esque rut he seems to have slipped into.
Peace & Sound Money blimps will inspire him to:

- write white papers detailing his transitional program from military keynesianism to sound money and a free market
- hold town meetings where he will offer his proposals up and invite questions and criticism from the public
- hold town meetings where he will present a panel of experts to debunk the military-media complex's lies about Iran
 
Stick around Babylon, maybe your blimp-instincts were correct:

blimp1.gif


If we barrage Ron with Peace & Sound Money blimps maybe it will shake him out of this Noam Chomsky-esque rut he seems to have slipped into.
Peace & Sound Money blimps will inspire him to:

- write white papers detailing his transitional program from military keynesianism to sound money and a free market
- hold town meetings where he will offer his proposals up and invite questions and criticism from the public
- hold town meetings where he will present a panel of experts to debunk the military-media complex's lies about Iran

Hell yeah, baby!

He needs a big fucking Zepplin. Arrive in it and the next debate. With a Captain's uniform.
When the moderator asks if he is 'electable', he responds: "I got a blimp, bitch. What do you think?"
Arriving at town halls by being lowered from his Ron Paul Zepplin would win this thing.
Jesus H... The Germans threw a few blimps up and the nearly took over frigging world.

You ever seen a big fucking blimp close up? Hovering 20 feet of the air like some kinda magic space-whale?

It strikes terror into the heart of men.

All this talk about carpools and shit... Fuck that. Voters need to be taken to the polls by blimp. Pick them up with rope ladders at their front doorstep.

Nobody listens to me though...

Doug Weade is a fool if he doesn't get this campaign ariborne.
 
I hope everyone complaining about the campaign is phoning from home, involved locally campaigning/spreading the message, etc.

If you're not, maybe the campaign isn't the problem. ;)
 
I totally agree and have written a paper on the subject. Here goes...
Why our National Elections are more important than our National Defense

National Defense protects us from "our" enemies both Foreign and Domestic
National Elections determine who will "Direct" our nation's militaryas well as the whole country .
Having honest open elections ensure protection against these very same factions!
We will be in control of our national destiny again.

The Greatest influence of the 99% is a Peacefull Revolution for Liberty!
Everyday Citizens MUST run for "Precinct Captain/Executive/Committeeman" in Nationwide districts!!!

Call the County Board of Elections" and give them your address and ask what precinct you live in.
Ask what the requirements are to run for the next (Republican/Democrate) parties post. They will tell you. Such questions are a matter of state law.

If needed call your Secretary of State Office, and ask them how to find the state laws that govern the precinct elections, and the parties who have qualifed to be recognized. State law "governs" which parties have "Qualified to be Recognized", that year, and often is only the Democratic/Republican parties, as the rules have been made very difficult, for any other type of parties to qualify, in most states.

Mostly, the Democratic and Republican parties control all 50 states, and all 3141 counties. Because of this, we recommend that everyone, pick either the Democratic or Republican party, with regard to the Precinct post, simply because of the soverign urgency of our nation!

Your precinct has boundaries, as surely and as precisely, as your state, and your country! Your precinct is usually 10 or 15 streets around your house. Did you know that? Yes! Abd the map is usually an aerial view of EXACTLY where your precinct ends on each street. You need the "walking list", which tells you the address at which your precinct ends on each street.

For instance, in Pennsylvania you need 10 signatures from voters in YOUR PRECINCT registered in the SAME PARTY as you're in. So, if you are running in the Republican Party you need the valid signatures of ten registered Republicans. in your precinct.

The walking list also tells you who the registered voters in your precinct are, whether they are registered as Republicans, Democrats, or Independents, or another party that qualified to register in your state, such as Libertarian Party, Green Party, or Constitution Party, and what address each voter lives at!

By using the walking list for your precinct, you can be sure you are getting valid signatures for your petition to run for "Precinct Captain/Executive/Committeeman post". Then you hand in your petition to the Board of Elections when you're finished collecting the required number of signatures.

VERY IMPORTANT: YOU MUST CHECK WITH YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO SEE ON WHAT DATE YOU CAN PICK UP YOUR PETITIONS TO RUN FOR PRECINCT, by what date you must turn your petition back into the Board of Elections, -- and on what date the (caucus) or (primary) election takes place in your county and state.

EXAMPLES: The Primary is held on May 5th, and the time to pick up your precinct petitions may begin 90 days earlier, that would be around February 25th, and the time to turn it in may be 30 days before the primary around April 5th. See? So, be sure to check the exact dates in your county and state.

When your petition is certified by the board of Elections as having the required number of valid signatures – then your name will be on the ballot IN YOUR PRECINCT ONLY for your party for the next caucus/primary that's held in your state.

If you are UNOPPOSED for Precinct Captain in your precinct for your party, -- if you vote for yourself, you win. If others have collected the required number of signatures to run for precinct executive in your precinct in your party, then they will also be on the ballot running against you.

When there is more than one candidate – the candidate who gets the most votes at the primary wins, and earns the right to go to the COUNTY party organizational meeting a month or so later (at the local VFW Hall, convention center, or wherever it is held) – and vote on WHO is the Party Chairman and Party Executive Committee for your party in your local county for the next 2 years.

THIS is the most important power of the elected Precinct Captain. If the precinct captains elected a good party chairman for your local party – then that Party Chairman and his team will ENDORSE good candidates to go to Congress, who will in turn undo the damage that has been done over the last few decades, and put this country on the right track again.

By the way, I’m told that in Kentucky, for instance, they do not have a primary, but a caucus, to elect Precinct Executives. On the appointed night – everyone interested in a given precinct goes to an appointed address for their party , Democratic or Republican Party, which may be at a home, school, or Recreation Center, etc. Then, by a show of hands, or by paper ballot, everyone present from that precinct elects someone to be the Precinct Captain for that precinct for the next two years.

Do not be discouraged if someone in an official capacity gives you the "run around." Local Party leaders have been known to do this. In many counties they do NOT want thousands of normal citizens making their influence felt and known in the precinct system!
Everyone into the Battle!

Sincerely,
Honey Bunny

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few
By Percy Bysshe Shelley in 1819 So, what do you think? Worth passing around? Help yourself. ;)
 
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