Is Ron Campaigning Effectively?

[tangent4ronpaul]

But Santorum goes to rural area churches all across the state where the dependable "old folks" are at. I think the word spreads around that Santorum is there guy and they unify.

We need to attack and split up that vote

Rural churches, hu? maybe we should share some of our supporters with him? you know, our street walking brethren... start a chipin for some bunny ranch gals so they could become Santorum groupies and follow him around... lol!

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

I know some people on the forum will get all out of sorts for me saying this but, I think that focusing on getting people educated to become delegates (and be effective at it) is the key aspect and to the best of my knowledge that's what Paul is doing. Witness tonight, Santorum won all the 'official straw polls' but gained no delegate award.

Of the 'soft' delegates elected tonight the (admittedly patchy) information I've found out there suggests Paul did quite well in the local delegate take.
Now of course this still doesn't mean Paul gets the most national delegates because that is as yet undecided but he's in a good position to do so (just like in IA).
Regardless of age the most important supporters are those who will stay and become educated active delegates.

2c (I'll now stay out of the thread so I don't drag things off topic)

I agree, yes, wins matter but DELEGATES is where our real game is with an "irate minority" looking to change the system

I can't believe people actually think he or anyone can change old-voters' mind on wars or issues like drugs, gay-marriage, abortion, etc etc NO NO, they've been like this for ages & it's highly unlikely that they'll change their minds all of a sudden but the younger the people are, the less indoctrinated they are & thus, susceptible to his ideas of "live & let live!" & not to mention youth is the future & every youth that he wakes up will be a follower of liberty for life & that's the long-term future of America, even if Ron won, the economic hardship is guaranteed & people who don't understand will blame him & people will remember that "libertarian was in-charge when US went down" but if we reach out to younger people, THAT will bring a REAL CHANGE in the LONG-TERM, it's not about one presidential victory, it's about CHANGING HISTOY.

 

[jasonxe]

I agree, yes, wins matter but DELEGATES is where our real game is with an "irate minority" looking to change the system

I can't believe people actually think he or anyone can change old-voters' mind on wars or issues like drugs, gay-marriage, abortion, etc etc NO NO, they've been like this for ages & it's highly unlikely that they'll change their minds all of a sudden but the younger the people are, the less indoctrinated they are & thus, susceptible to his ideas of "live & let live!" & not to mention youth is the future & every youth that he wakes up will be a follower of liberty for life & that's the long-term future of America, even if Ron won, the economic hardship is guaranteed & people who don't understand will blame him & people will remember that "libertarian was in-charge when US went down" but if we reach out to younger people, THAT will bring a REAL CHANGE in the LONG-TERM, it's not about one presidential victory, it's about CHANGING HISTOY.

I think Paul said the best way to get your message out there is to win elections. No better way to change history (or bigger election) then becoming president. Only way to become president is to get the old vote. Continuing the same course will give us the same results. Largely, people will change their minds if they see him once at their church/popular old folks area. I bet most of those grandparents don't even know Santorum positions but just that has "family values".

Accept that he needs to change his campaign strategy similar to Santorum or prepare for the same results. Santorum just kicked Romney butt several times. If Paul effectively campaigns in areas that Santorum went too, we could of easily won. Santorum isn't as appealing as Paul and Paul's message is way better (no matter what age). Those purple spots on the map are free for the taking IMO. Just the campaign decides to go to college campuses which is preaching the choir.

Right now Romney is beating us handily in a Virgina in a 1 vs 1. Let me know when you all get on board.

 

[walt]

I don't see his age as a factor here. The real factor is the age of his voters. As much as we count on the youth vote history has proven one thing: you CAN'T count on the youth vote. That leaves middle agers. Paul can't count on them either (as exit polls have shown), because most of them are too wrapped up in the lives of their kids to get out to the caucuses. What's left? Baby boomers and Medicaid recipients. They're going to vote not to rock the boat so they can get their goodies. They've spent the better part of their lives screwing the younger generations over, and they're not going to stop now over some silly little financial crisis.

The Republican party is devouring itself right in front of our eyes. This party isn't poised to win an election in the next 8 years, let alone the next 8 months.

yep

 

[GopBlackList]

I agree 100%. I've almost come to grips with Ron's personal flaws but I still don't understand why the campaign cannot have Ron doing more stops in the retail politics fashion ending in a late night rally for the college students.

Many of these counties had around 100-150 people that showed up and Santorum was able to edge out an extra 80 votes in almost all the counties..translating into hundreds maybe thousands of votes easy. If you win small counties by say 80 votes over 30 or 40 counties, that gives you an edge to make up for lost ground in larger population centers...Besides all these smaller areas elect delegates too.

It's like the campaign does some things great and other things horribly wrong...but the things that done wrong are so simple and common sense.

First, he needs to campaign more. Second, he needs to stop preaching to the choir. He needs to start talking to the undecideds, there is a lot of them. Third, he needs to stop giving lectures and start sounding like a presidential candidate instead of sounding like a professor.

Quoted For Truth.

I hope the rest of the supporters realize this as well

 

[LibertyEagle]

Quoted For Truth.

I hope the rest of the supporters realize this as well

What does it matter if the supporters realize it? What good would that do? If this is something you guys want the campaign to read, then you may want to ask for this thread to be moved to the Campaign Suggestion Box subforum.

 

[tbone717]

My opinion is that he needs to stop preaching to the base. If you look at his speech last night, Paul was not addressing the voters in MI, AZ and the Super Tuesday states, instead he was addressing the crowd in front of him using the same buzzwords that inspire the base, but not the general electorate. This is not about changing the message, it is about changing the delivery of the message. Like it or not, this is politics it is not an academic exercise. We are trying to win elections, and these elections come now at a rapid pace. If all we are doing is trying to get more people to be students of non-interventionist foreign policy and Austrian economics then we are doing a good job at that, but the goal is to win the nomination - not sell books.

 

[walt]

What does it matter if the supporters realize it? What good would that do? If this is something you guys want the campaign to read, then you may want to ask for this thread to be moved to the Campaign Suggestion Box subforum.

Do you really think this self-preserving group would act on what needs to happen? Ultimately, Ron himself must make these changes. I encourage all people who see Ron in person to ask for these changes in campaign management.

 

[Hitman83]

the goal is to win the nomination - not sell books.

This! I don't necessarily want him to change his message, but he needs to change his target audience and delivery of the issues. This is politics.

 

[vechorik]

Ron Paul is campaigning effectively.
It's Ron Paul supporters who aren't doing their jobs.

 

[Matthew5]

Who's more likely to commit to the delegate process? A senior or a youth?

 

[GraniteHills]

This is not about changing the message, it is about changing the delivery of the message. Like it or not, this is politics it is not an academic exercise.

Agreed.

(paraphrased) "We naturally get from our creator the right to life, liberty, and we oughta be able to keep the fruits of our labors"
translated into voter-speak =
"As president, I will abolish the income tax"

"We" = a passive pronoun whose drawbacks in a political race (it's not self-centered and forceful enough; voters want to hear a voice with a strong sense of self, because they equate that with leadership) outweigh its positives (sense of community & togetherness, etc.)

TWEAK THE DELIVERY!

 

[tbone717]

Who's more likely to commit to the delegate process? A senior or a youth?

Actually a senior. Maybe not someone in their 80's but people that are 50+ and have been involved in politics off and on throughout their life have the time, money and ability to go to the convention. A 20 something that is new to their career, might have a young child at home, etc - they may not have the ability to just up and leave their responsibilities as easily

 

[robskicks]

Santorum has the entire GOP establishment and MSM backing him. It's hardly a fair fight. I think Ron does as much as any damn person could ask for.

ding ding ding... END OF DISCUSSION.

 

[seawolf]

Ron needs to take a lesson from Santorum, as I said last night on several threads, it is RETAIL POLITICS. Santorum has stayed in targeted States for days and days, going from town to town, talking to alot of voters.

Our Campaign takes the private jet, does two maybe three rallies or town halls for one or two days and then leaves. That is not going to get it done.

Want proof, Santorum 4 victories including 3 caucus's (Our Strong point??) and Paul zero to date.

I just looked on the Campaign Website and with Maine in the balance on Saturday there are no, NO scheduled events.

The Campaign needs to reassess quickly, target the 3 or 4 States they think they can win on Super Tuesday, and literally move in to those States for the next three weeks.

Sadly. donations have collapsed in the last three weeks and the money to not there to compete in all ten primaries on March 6th.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

I think Paul said the best way to get your message out there is to win elections.

One of the reasons, anyone can't get any sh!t done when they become president, it's because they sort of con their constituents into voting for them & then when the constituents find out about their other issues, they don't support them anymore because they don't have any philosophical understanding of the issue.

Only way to become president is to get the old vote. Continuing the same course will give us the same results.Largely, people will change their minds if they see him once at their church/popular old folks area. I bet most of those grandparents don't even know Santorum positions but just that has "family values".

Look, I'm not saying, he shouldn't target older voters at all, I'm just saying it's a low-probability cause because media has already portrayed him as the kooky, drug-legaliser, anti-American & the truth is that these people do vote based on media.

And Santorum didn't win because he stumbled upon some grand strategy, it's just that people are completely undecided, just look at the results, first it was Romney then Newt & since people aren't sure about them, they decided to go for Santorum this time but this surge of his likely won't last long because again, it's not some grand strategy, it's just pure indecision & confusion of the electorate

Right now Romney is beating us handily in a Virgina in a 1 vs 1. Let me know when you all get on board.

That's a long way away, we weren't doing that well in MN but look, the local Paulites put in the hard-work & it has turned out to be one of our best performances so far, we didn't win but we came a good second & we're gonna take a lot delegates from there.

To my mind, if we lose hope & panick & so on then we're playing right into the media's hands, this is how they dictate elections, with all the hype about the early states; we mustn't play into their hands & keep working like MN Paulites did & we definitely will see some good results

But anyways, here's a nice suggestion to get older voters on-board :

He does need to emphasize that his 1 trillion dollar budget cut the first year is the ONLY thing that will save Social Security.

Who's more likely to commit to the delegate process? A senior or a youth?

 

[roversaurus]

Yes, I don't think he should do so many big rallies. One is good to get excitement and press but he needs to knock on doors.

Local TV interview one after another.
local events WITH OLD PEOPLE. And not just old but middle aged.
he doesn't need to do Q&A at a rally but he MUST do it at the retail politics events.
I'm not sure phone from home is helping get out the vote. Perhaps canvasing is best.

 

[raystone]

Santorum has the entire GOP establishment and MSM backing him. It's hardly a fair fight. I think Ron does as much as any damn person could ask for.

That's odd. For the previous two months, everyone said Romney had the entire GOP and MSM backing him.

The Paul campaign has been unable to figure out how to play the media. Or, more likely, Dr. Paul has been unwilling to play that game. I respect that, but it will result in much fewer votes.

 

[Badger for Paul]

Ron needs to take a lesson from Santorum, as I said last night on several threads, it is RETAIL POLITICS. Santorum has stayed in targeted States for days and days, going from town to town, talking to alot of voters.

Our Campaign takes the private jet, does two maybe three rallies or town halls for one or two days and then leaves. That is not going to get it done.

Want proof, Santorum 4 victories including 3 caucus's (Our Strong point??) and Paul zero to date.

I just looked on the Campaign Website and with Maine in the balance on Saturday there are no, NO scheduled events.

The Campaign needs to reassess quickly, target the 3 or 4 States they think they can win on Super Tuesday, and literally move in to those States for the next three weeks.

Sadly. donations have collapsed in the last three weeks and the money to not there to compete in all ten primaries on March 6th.

This is the sad truth. Romney gets his face in front of people with ads, and Santorum gets his face in front of people with town hall meetings so he sees them in person or on local media. RP is in between these two and that is not working out. I think RP can't match the Romney strategy so he should follow the Santorum strategy which is obviously working. I would gladly donate more if I saw this happening.

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

This is absolutely right, a simple bus tour with a Q and A would have flipped many of these counties

They're scared of this for some reason.

I don't think Ron is scared. He's fearless. My guess is his handlers are afraid he'll say the wrong thing when questioned.

It reminds me of all of the Libertarian Party campaigns I watched for 20+ years. The people that run these campaigns are afraid that people will find out what we really think and the whole campaign becomes a hide-your-light-under-a-bushel endeavor.

The cool thing is that Ron can't help himself from saying what he really thinks when he's give whatever lee-way he's given. But somebody's got him in this tightly structured system and they're not letting him out.