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Is Ron Campaigning Effectively?
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It takes mega millions to get out the votes for Paul because the media and radio hosts distort anything he says, so to overcome it it takes money. Santorum can ride on the media waves as he's sooo easy to beat they are making a way for him to stay in with low funds, same for Gingrich.
Romney or Paul are harder for Obama to beat.
Romney or Paul are harder for Obama to beat.
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More correctly, it takes RESOURCES.
Ron Paul CANNOT compete with Romney OR Obama, if money will be the key.
(TIME = MONEY) + (MONEY = POWER) >> PEOPLE POWER. What ELSE? Tell people of modest means to DIG DEEPER / DIG OFTENER, to be "competitive" with an Extraordinary Earner and a Fundraiser Extraordinaire?
When I say PEOPLE POWER, I am not talking about people pursuing the Delegate Strategy. Plenty of people are already engaged in that plan of attack, and best of luck to them. Alas, that IS the ol' Fundraising Circuit. Again, good luck. If it constitutes DIRTY WORK THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO, I'm glad it's not me.
To play that hand ONLY is no different than spotting a real hop-hop-hop-all-the-way-to-the-top Chinese Checkers "move", which may or may NOT still be viable after OTHER people move OTHER marbles.
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It could be run more effectively by simply modifying the plans as the results come in. Taking in to account what is actually happening.
I think the low turnout trend mentioned earlier is a distinct opportunity. We like to say that Ron Paul benefits from low turnout, but why? It's because his support is different than other support. How so?
So his supporters can rally around the flag so to speak. We need a rallying point to take advantage of the low turnout IMO. We need to stop acting like we can't win over the people who do vote. We need to remember that the "tireless irate minority" was a prelude to ARMED, VIOLENT, BLOODY, rebellion. If we want to avoid that, we need to be turn the silent majority into the loudest voice in the room MAJORITY.
Rally point in every single precinct is what is needed IMO. A physical local, a visible campaign presence. Speak to older voters by appealing to their emotions in very subtle honest ways.
A flag planting of a specially created Liberty Flag may do the trick. Think of Iwo Jima. Think of the hard fought battle and the never say die spirit of the Marines who raised the flag there. We can capture that spirit and when over the voters who are not turning out, and win over the voters who are "older" and set in their ways, IF we show them they have a reason to turn out AND OUR WAYS are THEIR ways. Subtlety and Honesty are the keys along with STRONG local visibility and a rallying point and appeal to emotions.
I think the low turnout trend mentioned earlier is a distinct opportunity. We like to say that Ron Paul benefits from low turnout, but why? It's because his support is different than other support. How so?
So his supporters can rally around the flag so to speak. We need a rallying point to take advantage of the low turnout IMO. We need to stop acting like we can't win over the people who do vote. We need to remember that the "tireless irate minority" was a prelude to ARMED, VIOLENT, BLOODY, rebellion. If we want to avoid that, we need to be turn the silent majority into the loudest voice in the room MAJORITY.
Rally point in every single precinct is what is needed IMO. A physical local, a visible campaign presence. Speak to older voters by appealing to their emotions in very subtle honest ways.
A flag planting of a specially created Liberty Flag may do the trick. Think of Iwo Jima. Think of the hard fought battle and the never say die spirit of the Marines who raised the flag there. We can capture that spirit and when over the voters who are not turning out, and win over the voters who are "older" and set in their ways, IF we show them they have a reason to turn out AND OUR WAYS are THEIR ways. Subtlety and Honesty are the keys along with STRONG local visibility and a rallying point and appeal to emotions.
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There's nothing on the campaign events calendar until 2/22 debate.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/month
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Ditto. We're quickly heading into a highly divided convention with no signs of anyone else dropping out. In recent history, the anointed candidate is usually thrust upon us by Super Tuesday. However this is a unique situation because the party is so fractured. Why try to take the path of the Golden Boy (1st place finishes)?
Ron is campaigning smarter, not harder.
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To win delegates?
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I agree. "Fear" is a huge motivating factor for those opposed to Ron's foreign policy and older Americans who worry about being cut off from SS and Medicare. I am in a part of the country that has not been bombarded with campaign advertisements, so I have no idea of what sort of "marketing" specific to older demographics has been done by the campaign. From what I have seen in debates and interviews, Ron could do a much better job addressing those things... as could we.
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these people have already sacrificed a lot for this country, that is their emotional string IMO. Sacrifice requires the emotion of love. Seniors love their country, that is why they sacrifice. Seniors love their influence, that is why they vote. Seniors may fear having their benefits taken from them, but more than that seniors fear having their children and grandchildren suffer through no fault of their own.
There are basic emotions at play here. Rather than try to address the fear, why not encourage what they love? Seniors may be set in their ways, this is why it is so important to make it clear that their way IS the message of liberty. Not the message of empty promises, endless and hopeless debt, constant threat of violence against one of our cities. The message of liberty IS the message of sacrifice. This connection can be made with seniors. In order to free ourselves from the burdens that big government has brought upon us, we must sacrifice big government for liberty. Old people will get this. One way to do that is to vote for someone who will make the required fiscal changes to ensure that sacrifice is not wasted for any other cause. This is how older folks will know that their sacrifice won't be a waste.
The bonus is, they don't lose anything else. The sacrifice is ideological, but at the same time honors their life long sacrifice of service to their country.
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I thought this has been dispelled as RPF folklore based upon a misunderstand of Doug Wead's comments.
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I agree with this (i.e. dispel their fears).
What are talking about?
What is so 'fractured' about this campaign?
Romney is the front-runner and will easily win the nomination.
Santorum is irrelevant outside a few religious nut-job states. No different than Huckabee.
You really need to get some perspective.
Ron Paul is not campaigning 'smarter.'
He's not campaigning at all, in case you haven't noticed.
Name me a single TV ad that ran in any of the past three states.
Name me a single town-hall meeting.
Name me a single meeting at a factory or rest-home.
Give me a single sentence from a single speech made in any of the past three states that dealt with a local issue.
Give it a rest.
Ron Paul is turning into a Noam Chomsky type... some old guy that gives lectures on college campuses that nobody really understands or cares about, but for some reason has the aura of being hip and rebellious. That's not the foundation for a campaign. It is, however, the foundation for a good retirement, so long as it doesn't turn into some creepy kind of Ayn Randish cult...
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OK,maybe persistently placing 2nd or worse will get Paul the nomination, especially with winner-take-all states coming up soon. "Why try to take the path of the Golden Boy (1st place finishes)?" is probably one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen at RPFs.
You take the path of 1st place finishes because that is how you win.
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This is essentially how Rand won Kentucky.
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That isn't exactly true anymore, though. They've managed to increase the number of ballots that they are on, I believe.
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I'm not sure where this meme that a delegate strategy is not compatable with a lets win strategy. The fact is, the more votes you get, the more delegates you will get all else being equal. We can still educate people to become delegates whether we are the top vote getter or the bottom. It doesn't take resources away from campaigning. A few people have hit the nail on the head. Paul is an academic. Nearly all good politicians are salesmen. For the movement to "win" we need to win the POTUS at some point. And to win, you need votes. And to get votes, you need to sell people on your message. That doesn't mean you lie about your message, but it does mean that you deliver it to groups of people in a manner that will get the most votes. It is a matter of efficiency. Maximizing votes per campaign hour. Going to the base, preaching to the base, and lecturing does not maximize votes. Targeted messages for targeted audiences maximize votes. Go where the undecideds are; do some recon on what is important to that group, and focus on those issues. Rinse, repeat.
Folks we do not need every RP voter to be 100% behind everything Paul says. Heck, I disagree with him on a couple issues. But what we do need is for people to to pull the lever for Paul. As long as we are honest and legal, we all need to do whatever it takes to maximize those people.
Folks we do not need every RP voter to be 100% behind everything Paul says. Heck, I disagree with him on a couple issues. But what we do need is for people to to pull the lever for Paul. As long as we are honest and legal, we all need to do whatever it takes to maximize those people.
I posted this in a different thread, but this one is far more active.
I wish he would come to Ohio. Right now the Average is,
RCP Average
Romney - 26.0
Newt - 21.5
Santorum - 20.0
Paul - 10.5
Getting 4th place in a swing state like Ohio would be absolutely terrible. But the other three are spread so evenly (with another 22% undecided) that he has a chance to sweep in and gain some ground. He should visit Ohio State, University of Cincinnati, Kent State, University of Akron. Those are four of some of the most important colleges in Ohio. And there is only about a 35 minute drive between Kent State and Akron U, he can have a rally/Q&A twice that day. Losing Ohio that badly would be very bad for him, and Newt is already here trying to get the early voters. I don't really expect him to win here, but I imagine if he spends some time here, he can manage a second place win.
Kent State and Akron U are 35 minutes apart with about 46,000 students between them. Add in Ohio State and that's another 50,000 students. Ron got 50,964 votes at a time when everyone had pretty much assumed it was a two man race between Huckabee and McCain. McCain got 656,687 votes for about 60% of the vote. Ron cannot find him self in last place here. He needs to hit at least those three campuses, preferably more. Convince the students that they NEED to go out and vote.
I wish he would come to Ohio. Right now the Average is,
RCP Average
Romney - 26.0
Newt - 21.5
Santorum - 20.0
Paul - 10.5
Getting 4th place in a swing state like Ohio would be absolutely terrible. But the other three are spread so evenly (with another 22% undecided) that he has a chance to sweep in and gain some ground. He should visit Ohio State, University of Cincinnati, Kent State, University of Akron. Those are four of some of the most important colleges in Ohio. And there is only about a 35 minute drive between Kent State and Akron U, he can have a rally/Q&A twice that day. Losing Ohio that badly would be very bad for him, and Newt is already here trying to get the early voters. I don't really expect him to win here, but I imagine if he spends some time here, he can manage a second place win.
Kent State and Akron U are 35 minutes apart with about 46,000 students between them. Add in Ohio State and that's another 50,000 students. Ron got 50,964 votes at a time when everyone had pretty much assumed it was a two man race between Huckabee and McCain. McCain got 656,687 votes for about 60% of the vote. Ron cannot find him self in last place here. He needs to hit at least those three campuses, preferably more. Convince the students that they NEED to go out and vote.
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