Is it time to get out of the US?

[Old Ducker]

Doug Casey thinks having a second home outside the United States is essential. It is not within the reach of most Americans. But, if this country is going to collapse under the weight of its debt, with chaos ensuing, maybe it is time to seek out a hiding place. It is never a bad strategy to have a backup plan. The two countries that have gotten the best shout outs have been Argentina and New Zealand.

Does anyone out there have other recommendations?

Is Moving Out Of The United States A Way To Escape The Coming Economic Collapse?

With the U.S. economy in a death spiral, many Americans have been wondering if moving out of the United States is a way to escape the coming economic collapse. While it is true that the U.S. economy will drag down the rest of the economies around the globe at least to an extent, the reality is that someone living on an island in the middle of nowhere will be able to weather the coming economic storm a whole lot better than someone in New York or Los Angeles. But is moving out of the United States a practical alternative? First of all, it is very important to realize that moving some to another country can cause a massive culture shock. Even a nation that you would think would be somewhat similar such as the U.K. can be radically different from what most Americans are accustomed to. In addition, in some cases there can be huge taxes and fees imposed on those moving to a new country.

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[Elwar]

New Zealand isn't all that free...

If you can handle a big city go for Hong Kong...

 

[Anti Federalist]

There's no place to run.

Once a currency collapse starts, any nations that you would even want to think about going to will shut their doors with a slam.

It's a prison planet.

Better to make your stand here.

 

[driller80545]

I have been visiting Central America for several years with this in mind. When money becomes worthless, go where there is no money to start with. This is my theory!

 

[Mini-Me]

If there is anywhere in the world where liberty-lovers will ever stand their ground, it must be in America. This is my home.

 

[Danke]

If there is anywhere in the world where liberty-lovers will ever stand their ground, it must be in America. This is my home.

YouTube - Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid - Last Scene from Classic Movie

 

[noxagol]

And go where exactly?

 

[silverhawks]

There is nowhere to run to; the American republic is a unique concept in the world, that while currently subverted and undermined by corporate fascism, lives on in the hearts and minds of patriots, waiting to be reborn.

The Founding Fathers certainly didn't flee to another country in the face of tyranny, why start now?

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
~ Samuel Adams

"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
~ Patrick Henry

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind.”
~ Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Krugerrand]

There is nowhere to run to; the American republic is a unique concept in the world, that while currently subverted and undermined by corporate fascism, lives on in the hearts and minds of patriots, waiting to be reborn.

The Founding Fathers certainly didn't flee to another country in the face of tyranny, why start now?

That's speculative. They stayed here because they WON. These were some rich guys. Would they have picked it up and left? ... I have to believe some would have. Ben Franklin spent a considerable amount of time in France. I would bet that others did as well.

At one point I looked into dual citizenship. I just could not find an easy enough place to make it happen. I think it makes sense - especially from a family perspective. If things get bad, the option to travel under a non-US passport could be huge.

 

[Krugerrand]

And go where exactly?

indeed - a challenge. But, people buy vacation homes. I think that's a decent approach - find a vacation home in another country. Of course, that not only takes money to buy the spot ... but a lot of money to travel between here and there to maintain it.

 

[Elwar]

indeed - a challenge. But, people buy vacation homes. I think that's a decent approach - find a vacation home in another country. Of course, that not only takes money to buy the spot ... but a lot of money to travel between here and there to maintain it.

The thing to consider with vacation homes in another country as a pursuit of hitting the road if things get bad here is the property rights of foreigners in the country you're looking. Most don't allow private ownership of property by foreigners and opt more towards a 99 year "lease". And if the local community is corrupt, the landlord could try to kick you out after you've paid and you would be a foreigner in a foreign court fighting against a local.

I am more than willing to go some place more free than the US. That's why millions of people came here, that's why millions of people will go elsewhere.

 

[Pericles]

there is nowhere to run to; the american republic is a unique concept in the world, that while currently subverted and undermined by corporate fascism, lives on in the hearts and minds of patriots, waiting to be reborn.

The founding fathers certainly didn't flee to another country in the face of tyranny, why start now?

+1776

 

[thesurvivor]

No place to go... I would rather be here than any place else... that way I can start helping people get up out of the ashes so to speak, and start rebuilding this nation back...

 

[Kelly.]

is there any place that is more free?
im more worried about personal freedoms specifically.

if it werent for family, i would already be in central america.

 

[KCIndy]

That's speculative. They stayed here because they WON. These were some rich guys. Would they have picked it up and left? ... I have to believe some would have. Ben Franklin spent a considerable amount of time in France. I would bet that others did as well.

Krugerrand, with all due respect, isn't your view on the founding fathers a tad reversed? If they were going to run, they would have run BEFORE the war. In 1775, the odds-on bet was that the colonies (the U.S.) were going to get their collective asses kicked. As a fledgling nation, we lost virtually every major battle for the next two years.

If the guys like Adams, Henry, Jefferson, Monroe, et al were going to run, they would certainly have run before the end of 1777. Staying after the war was won was easy - after all, they were on the winning side.

Franklin risked his life - literally - to get to France in order to cultivate French support of the American cause. He didn't really want to go; he only went because he felt it was his duty. A great read on the subject is: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson. It's fascinating how much history never filters down to high school and college history texts.

 

[osan]

There's no place to run.

Once a currency collapse starts, any nations that you would even want to think about going to will shut their doors with a slam.

It's a prison planet.

Better to make your stand here.

+1

Nail on head.

 

[osan]

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Running away to which place? If things get so bad in America that we will feel the need to flee, then what pray tell does anyone think the rest of the world will be like?

I actually have a place to go to in Europe. It is not even an option in my mind. Europe is in 10x the trouble of the USA. Besides, this is my home and like my boy Patrick Henry I would rather die here fighting for the place I know and love than to run away from the frying pan only to be consumed by the fire.

Besides, consider that if things get that bad, one may not be able to find a way back to the USA for a very long time. That would be the worst thought of all. I'm a citizen of the United States of America. To those claiming to be citizens of the world, go forth and be happy in China or whatever other place you would rather. I am sticking to my home and will fight for it if I have to. I'm old enough now to know in my heart of hearts that death is nothing to fear. Subjugation and slavery, on the other hand, are.

 

[Krugerrand]

Krugerrand, with all due respect, isn't your view on the founding fathers a tad reversed? If they were going to run, they would have run BEFORE the war. In 1775, the odds-on bet was that the colonies (the U.S.) were going to get their collective asses kicked. As a fledgling nation, we lost virtually every major battle for the next two years.

If the guys like Adams, Henry, Jefferson, Monroe, et al were going to run, they would certainly have run before the end of 1777. Staying after the war was won was easy - after all, they were on the winning side.

Franklin risked his life - literally - to get to France in order to cultivate French support of the American cause. He didn't really want to go; he only went because he felt it was his duty. A great read on the subject is: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson. It's fascinating how much history never filters down to high school and college history texts.

I could certainly be wrong. I just think that had the British won the Revolutionary War, and the people who had serious monetary resources would have fled rather than face probably prosecution under the British.

 

[MelissaWV]

It's not time to get out for at least a few more months, OD My move's been delayed until the autumn/winter.

 

[driller80545]

How many of the founding fathers were born here? I really don't know. Could it be that they got here by running away from somewhere else? That's pretty much how everyone else got here.