Is it time to get out of the US?

[LibertyEagle]

Reading some of the responses to this thread has given me some hope for this country. Thank you for that.

 

[Baptist]

How many of the founding fathers were born here? I really don't know. Could it be that they got here by running away from somewhere else? That's pretty much how everyone else got here.

Exactly. Our nation was started by immigrants who ran away. Some ran away from Europe in pursuit of economic opportunity, like the colony at Jamestown. Some ran away from Europe to escape religious persecution, and started colonies in New England.

Bailing is not anti-American. Bailing IS American. You can all stay here and "fight for my home." But as Ben Franklin said, "where liberty is, there is my country." I've been searching for three years now for somewhere to move to. So far it seems like America is still the best spot. But the second I believe that my family will have better opportunity to exist and be left alone in another country, we are gone. Period.

All the talk of "I'll stand my ground here and die" is just that: it's talk. Look at how far we've come in the last 100 years. Look at how far we've come in the LAST DECADE. Nobody ever stands up and fights. We are all frogs in boiling water so there will never be a tipping point that makes all the patriots "stand up and fight."

IF.... IF there is a revolution, then it will be led by agent provocateurs or controlled opposition. Have fun fighting it because I won't be.

 

[raiha]

New Zealand isn't all that free...

Least corrupt country in the world though. That's gotta count for something. And there are only 4 million of us.

 

[osan]

Least corrupt country in the world though.

By whose counting?

Guns are illegal there on the whole, are they not? No thanks.

 

[josephjsalas]

It's been time for me to get the heck out of here for some time now. As far
as I can tell, the U.S. is the only nation that allows slavery. And as we can
all see by now, our surveillance societycool was designed to mask just that.
Oh; so how's the weather out there?

 

[Baptist]

By whose counting?

Guns are illegal there on the whole, are they not? No thanks.

[edit] New Zealand seems like a liberal state in the U.S., like California. Nowhere near Nazi Western Europe.
http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/index.html

 

[phill4paul]

They can have America when they can pry it from my cold, dead hands.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

New Zealand

A few years ago I read the book, Strategic Relocation http://www.joelskousen.com/Strategic/strategic.html re moving to other countries. He basically said Americans are not liked in many of them, so when the fooo hits the fan, the locals in those countries will turn on the Americans in a heartbeat.

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Funny New Zealand was mentioned, as it crossed my mind a few years back as well, so I began reading up on the place. Not so good... Their immigration laws are super strict, so to get in, you have to be a professional of whatever sort. Worse, NZ was the First "testing ground" of running a country as a mini-New World Order, from as far back as 1984...

It was a fascinating little research project (NZ is a beautiful little place), because through it I first heard of lovable, animated, "no beating around the bush" preacher/author Barry R. Smith (deceased 2002, age 69) who was born in NZ. He traveled all over the world exposing the NWO plan http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fdisclaimer.htm & http://www.barrysmith.org.nz , and explains in these few pages (written in 1995) sections such as, "The New Zealand guinea pig experience", "What did they do to New Zealand?", etc. (he says the NWO plan really began in NZ as far back as 1984):

http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fneworder.htm

THE TASK TO HAND TRY OUT THE PLAN

If you were a planner, looking for a country to test out your diabolical plan, which one would you choose?

a) A little known place, as far away as possible so as to be inconspicuous.
b) A country whose activities are considered so unimportant that the world's media barely give it a thought.
c) A country situated as close to the international dateline as possible so that the day's trading for the world could start there each morning.
d) A country with possibly a fair sized land mass (shall we say about the size of Great Britain) but with a tiny population.
e) A population of people who are not in the main vocal, demonstrative, or vociferous in their condemnation or opposition of anything they find offensive. Their national motto could be summed up in the words, "She'll be right".
f) A population who, in the main, know very little of activity in the outside world, only that which is carefully fed to them by the media.
g) Preferably an island nation where border controls do not pose a great problem.
h) A country looked upon as a poorer brother to a larger nation nearby. The plan could therefore be tested on both nations in tandem. The larger nation situated alongside this test case country, could have as their motto, "She'll be right, mate."

Can you visualise such a nation?

I can because I was born there. I am saddened to tell you, it is my birth place - New Zealand.

More: http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fneworder.htm
Continues:
http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/ftheplan.htm

 

[Meatwasp]

Run run as fast as you can. You can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man. You know what happened to him? Better stay here.

 

[nayjevin]

The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government, to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.

http://freestateproject.org

 

[osan]

I have been visiting Central America for several years with this in mind. When money becomes worthless, go where there is no money to start with. This is my theory!

That's why I'm in West Virginia.

 

[osan]

If there is anywhere in the world where liberty-lovers will ever stand their ground, it must be in America. This is my home.

Agreed. Could you imagine attempting it in China? Where else on the planet does such an endeavor hold even 1/2 the promise for success that it does here? I cannot think of a single place that is of significance and that would not in time be run over by the great globalist juggernaut.

 

[RM918]

I'll do what I can while I'm here, but my pessimism just keeps getting worse every day I look around. If push comes to shove, I'm not looking to get run over in the 'glorious revolution'. Let the bloodthirsty have at it, the only way to win the game there is to not play at all.

 

[Kelly.]

i wonder if being off the grid and self reliant in the US would be better/worse then leaving the US and 'fitting in' in a new country,

 

[Eleutheros]

To quote TV sitcom character James Evans (John Amos) from the show Good Times when he chastised J.J. for wanting to escape to his bedroom after seeing some visitors who didn't care much for his ghetto upbringing:

"This is your home. This is one place you don't break and run from nobody".

I understand folks not wanting to be under the oppressive thumb of the government here, but know that this is your home, and in your home you should never have to run from anybody.

 

[Old Ducker]

i wonder if being off the grid and self reliant in the US would be better/worse then leaving the US and 'fitting in' in a new country,

I think this is the way to go, as opposed to being in some strange place where you have no network of friends or family.

 

[RileyE104]

If I had a boat I'd be looking for my own island

 

[sevin]

There's no place to run.

Once a currency collapse starts, any nations that you would even want to think about going to will shut their doors with a slam.

It's a prison planet.

Better to make your stand here.

If there is anywhere in the world where liberty-lovers will ever stand their ground, it must be in America. This is my home.

This and this.

I'm not ready to give up on this country yet.

 

[libertybrewcity]

i posted this earlier this month:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242848

 

[libertybrewcity]

personally though I would stay in the United States. imagine if every patriot who left stayed here to help with the revolution! i can imagine we would be a little further along.