Is Gary Johnson actually part of the plan to make Ron Paul the nominee?

[robertwerden]

It occurred to me that Johnson who is a Ron Paul supporter would drop out of the race should Ron Paul become the nominee. Could he be the key to Ron Paul getting nominated?

With Romney as the nominee, Johnson could draw upwards of 8-10% of Romneys potential votes. Obama would win.
With Paul as the nominee, Johnson would end his bid, and endorse Ron Paul. Paul would win

So is Gary Johnson running only to convince the GOP to nominate Paul instead of Romney? Or is the GOP just throwing the race?

 

[Paulistinian]

GOP doesn't grasp the idea of voting principle over party. They don't see GJ as a threat

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ron Paul is NEVER going to be the nominee and NEVER going to be President. I can't believe these delusions are still rampant on this forum.

EDIT-Plus/Neg Rep count for this thread: 11 plus reps/14 neg reps

 

[sailingaway]

If Ron can't be nominated from the floor at convention because of cheating on Ron's delegates, I agree few Paul voter will vote Romney. That doesn't mean they would vote Johnson, though. I don't think your correlation works.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul is NEVER going to be the nominee and NEVER going to be President. I can't believe these delusions are still rampant on this forum.

I can't believe you still worry about it so much in Ron's own campaign forum. In the last stages of Glen Bradley's or Karen K's campaigns would you even have DREAMED of going into their forums and trying to piss on the hopes of their supporters? What is it that makes you think it is any more welcome here?

 

[robertwerden]

Ron Paul is NEVER going to be the nominee and NEVER going to be President. I can't believe these delusions are still rampant on this forum.

neg rep

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

neg rep

neg-rep for honesty!

I can't believe you still worry about it so much.

When a bunch of people in a movement you are in are delusional, it is something to worry about.

 

[sailingaway]

neg-rep for honesty!

When a bunch of people in a movement you are in are delusional, it is something to worry about.

NOt all of my post posted. See above. And keep these comments out of Ron's campaign forum, it EXISTS to push him for nomination as long as the nominee has not yet been selected at Tampa. This isn't the 'movement' forum, it is RON PAUL'S CAMPAIGN forum. If you don't want to hear about schemes to push Ron Paul's nomination as president, perhaps it isn't the subforum for you.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

NOt all of my post posted. See above. And keep these comments out of Ron's campaign forum, it EXISTS to push him for nomination as long as the nominee has not yet been selected at Tampa. This isn't the 'movement' forum, it is RON PAUL'S CAMPAIGN forum. If you don't want to hear about schemes to push Ron Paul's nomination as president, perhaps it isn't the subforum for you.

Right. Okay, well, if that involves being delusional and ignorant and ignoring Ron Paul's own statements, I guess I better stay out of the fantasy threads.

btw, I would not have pissed on the Bradley or Karen supporters but if they still thought the candidate could win after the election had been called and they had been defeated soundly, I would consider them nuts.

 

[sailingaway]

Right. Okay, well, if that involves being delusional and ignorant and ignoring Ron Paul's own statements, I guess I better stay out of the fantasy threads.

btw, I would not have pissed on the Bradley or Karen supporters but if they still thought the candidate could win after the election had been called and they had been defeated soundly, I would consider them nuts.

In their case the position was filled by election, the presidential nomination is not. This is BEFORE the event, however likely the result might be. Would you have gratuitiously just tried to make them feel worse by venting your views of delusion before the election, knowing the polls? Think what you like. Don't undercut the purpose of a subforum and piss on the feelings of the community that gathers in one.

and note you would have 'considered' them nuts, why wouldn't you have acted just as badly there? Consider your answer, because I suspect it has to do with your resentment, not the strength of your belief that one situation would be more deluded than another. And venting here your resentment that people like Ron enough to hold on and not care for your candidate, or whatever the resentment is for, is not ok.

 

[Spoa]

neg-rep for honesty!

When a bunch of people in a movement you are in are delusional, it is something to worry about.

+ rep for an undeserved - rep. GeorgiaAvenger is just stating his belief that Ron Paul won't get the nomination. He didn't threaten anyone with death or something.

 

[eleganz]

neg-rep for honesty!

When a bunch of people in a movement you are in are delusional, it is something to worry about.

I see, when times get tough..simply give up.

The GOP would love you on their side, oh wait, you're halfway there.


Jack Hunter, is that you?

 

[TrishW]

There is a part of me that still sees Ron Paul winning the presidency. Its not my logical mind, but it is alive in my hopes for America.

I am comforted in the thought that even if others view me as delusional, Ron Paul shares my hope, or at least allows it to stay alive. Nothing other than Ron dropping out will end my "delusion".

Its not over... yet.

 

[Spoa]

In their case the position was filled by election, the presidential nomination is not. This is BEFORE the event, however likely the result might be. Would you have gratuitiously just tried to make them feel worse by venting your views of delusion before the election, knowing the polls? Think what you like. Don't undercut the purpose of a subforum and piss on the feelings of the community that gathers in one.

and note you would have 'considered' them nuts, why wouldn't you have acted just as badly there? Consider your answer, because I suspect it has to do with your resentment, not the strength of your belief that one situation would be more deluded than another. And venting here your resentment that people like Ron enough to hold on and not care for your candidate, or whatever the resentment is for, is not ok.

Question: If through some miraculous way you were able to get Rep. Paul nominated, do you think he would accept the nomination? Especially after he already wrote a letter saying he suspended his campaign? Even though he already announced he is only running to affect the platform? Even after his son (who some of you go crazy over) endorsed the GOP nominee?

I'm not trying to trample on anybody's views or hopes. I AM saying that a -rep for GeorgiaAvenger simply stating what Ron Paul and Rand Paul stated themselves is not right. Ron and Rand would probably get a billion -reps if they were on this site.

 

[romancito]

Ron Paul is NEVER going to be the nominee and NEVER going to be President. I can't believe these delusions are still rampant on this forum.

How many Romney bound delegates are Ron Paul supporters? How many Santorum supporters? How many of them will feel nauseated by the RNC dribble after 3 days of hypocrisy blabber? How many of them will want to commit mass suicide by the morning of August 30th.? How many of them will instead of suicide decide to abstain from voting for Romney in the first ballot? Answer those questions and you will find you should never say never ever.

 

[sailingaway]

Question: If through some miraculous way you were able to get Rep. Paul nominated, do you think he would accept the nomination?

Actually, yes, but it doesn't matter. I'm not looking at what the result would be and while I don't expect a win, I do expect to fight for one to the end, in order to get the best we can, and to know we fought the good fight.

But my comment wasn't about opinions but about calling Ron winning delusional in his own campaign forum. Why aren't you in other people's campaign forums who may not win, calling them delusional? It isn't as if we haven't had others as little likely to win as Ron late in the game. It is simply extreme bad manners to piss on the supporters of a campaign when there is still work to be done and spirits to be kept up to do it, win or lose.

YOUR attitude lets delegates to state conventions stay home, for example, and some of the most recent state conventions we might have had a clear majority of delegates with just a few more people present. Several times we lost delegate votes by just a few votes. Don't piss on enthusiasm in this forum.

I strongly suspect an agenda when people feel the need to come in here and tell people who are doing nothing to them that they are 'delusional' for supporting the campaign the subforum was created to support.

 

[leffewture]

GOP is just throwing the race

But if Obama keeps saying things like "If you have a business, You didn't build that." Romney will win anyway.

 

[sailingaway]

GOP is just throwing the race

But if Obama keeps saying things like "If you have a business, You didn't build that." Romney will win anyway.

Both parties know how to throw a race. Yet another commonality between MR and O

 

[Bruehound]

Although I think the LP has a tarnished brand name due to 40 years of incompetent, amateurish campaigns(at all levels) this may be the cycle that busts apart the "two party" stranglehold.

After the RNC ends with Mitt for brains as the GOP nominee all GJ has to do is simply utter these words -- " I would be honored to have Ron Paul serve in my administration as Secretary of the Treasury". and it doesn't even matter if RP responds to that overture. That might propel Johnson into the debates. Even though Johnson is not very well grounded in the philosophy of liberty he is evolving and seems sincere.

 

[sailingaway]

GJ is irrelevant to me, regardless of Mitt. Mitt losing my vote has no correlation to GJ ever getting it. Others feel differently, but I think they would have voted for GJ anyhow, I dont' see how the two are related.