Is Bernie Sanders's message more popular than Ron Paul's?

[Son_of_Liberty90]

I hate to admit it, but as much as I was hopeful in 2012 for a breakthrough for Ron based on the great campaign ads and grassroots support, it seems like Bernie Sanders's message is gaining more traction by democratic and independent voters. Is it because of the "FREE STUFF" message he's espousing?

Why was it than Ron was considered "crazy" for his extreme views on role of government but socialist Bernie is being embraced like wildfire?

Put it another way: how many Ron Paul supporters do you think support Bernie Sanders today, and how many people who were against Ron Paul/support Bernie Sanders?

Especially young voters. I saw a disturbing newscast that interviewed students supporting Bernie Sanders, and one student said, "Bernie Sanders was not a successful candidate before because he didn't have a generation like us."

*Shudders*

 

[squarepusher]

Bernie could loosely be considered the "left's Ron Paul," only he is doing much better and actually has a good chance of getting elected.

 

[presence]

Bernie could loosely be considered the "left's Ron Paul," only he is doing much better and actually has a good chance of getting elected.

I'm not seeing that

 

[Anti Federalist]

Is Bernie Sanders's message more popular than Ron Paul's?

Of course it is.

It's some of the freedom, with all sorts of "free" stuff to go along with it.

 

[idiom]

Bernie is getting huge traction because of a lack of options.

Imagine if the entire 2008 race had been Ron Paul vs McCain, or 2012 was Ron Paul vs Romney.

Bernie is the *only* non-Hillary option.

A lot of his supporters don't know or dis-like his policies, but they hate Hillary more.

Nobody who supports him actually wants to get rid of NASA etc, they just really really hate Hillary and would take anyone.

 

[juleswin]

Bernie is getting huge traction because of a lack of options.

Imagine if the entire 2008 race had been Ron Paul vs McCain, or 2012 was Ron Paul vs Romney.

Bernie is the *only* non-Hillary option.

A lot of his supporters don't know or dis-like his policies, but they hate Hillary more.

Nobody who supports him actually wants to get rid of NASA etc, they just really really hate Hillary and would take anyone.

Yep, essentially he alone is the anti Romney for the dems.

 

[Kotin]

we have a completely uniformed and misinformed public so why be surprised by this?

 

[Dianne]

Bernie could loosely be considered the "left's Ron Paul," only he is doing much better and actually has a good chance of getting elected.

Actually Ron Paul did great, but no news media outlet would cover his success. The only reason they are now covering Sanders, is because people are so damn pissed off with the media, and watching everything they do and say. It wasn't like that in 2007 and 2012. Ron Paul was a pioneer in exposing the corrupt news media, but too late for him. Sanders now has the benefit.

 

[TheTexan]

One promised to take away your free stuff, the other promised to give you more free stuff.

Easy choice

 

[unknown]

Ron Paul was never "considered" crazy.

He was constantly name called and personally attacked by the establishment and their minions in the media because they could never successfully challenge him on his ideals and principles.

Of-course Sanders' message is more popular than Ron Paul's.

Ron Paul wanted to get government out of our lives and do away with the IRS (among other things).

Sanders wants more government, taking more of your money in order to give you more "free" shit.

Of-course thats going to resonate more, especially with the OWS well intentioned but completely misguided shitheads.

 

[idiom]

If there were six governors running against Hillary + Sanders nobody would know who the fuck he was. He has got nothing on Ron. Intellectually he is weak sauce, his record is a shambles.

Unlike the GOP, the Dems *LOVE* to upset the DNC apple cart for shits and giggles, that is how Obama got nominated.

 

[misterx]

Without a doubt! People love free stuff.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

Bernie is getting huge traction because of a lack of options.

Imagine if the entire 2008 race had been Ron Paul vs McCain, or 2012 was Ron Paul vs Romney.

Bernie is the *only* non-Hillary option.

A lot of his supporters don't know or dis-like his policies, but they hate Hillary more.

Nobody who supports him actually wants to get rid of NASA etc, they just really really hate Hillary and would take anyone.

Not sure where you're getting this, but as a Bernie supporter myself (and former RP supporter), I've never heard or met anyone who supports him while disliking his policies. His rallies have tens of thousands of very passionate supporters who know very well what his stances and policies are.

Also, Bernie has never said anything about getting rid of NASA. He just doesn't see it as a priority, which is one of the two stances I disagree with him on. The other is nuclear energy.

 

[idiom]

Not sure where you're getting this, but as a Bernie supporter myself (and former RP supporter), I've never heard or met anyone who supports him while disliking his policies. His rallies have tens of thousands of very passionate supporters who know very well what his stances and policies are.

Also, Bernie has never said anything about getting rid of NASA. He just doesn't see it as a priority, which is one of the two stances I disagree with him on. The other is nuclear energy.

He has voted repeatedly to defund NASA. He defended it in the Reddit AMA even.

But the reason anybody cares is the lack of options.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

He has voted repeatedly to defund NASA. He defended it in the Reddit AMA even.

But the reason anybody cares is the lack of options.

Context is important. This is what he actually said:

I am supportive of NASA not only because of the excitement of space exploration, but because of all the additional side benefits we receive from research in that area. Sometimes, and frankly I don't remember all of those votes, one is put in a position of having to make very very difficult choices about whether you vote to provide food for hungry kids or health care for people who have none and other programs. But, in general, I do support increasing funding for NASA.

Which can be read as "I support NASA, but there are bigger priorities."

Like I said, it's not something I agree with, but it's rare to agree 100% with anyone.

 

[idiom]

Between advancing the ability to produce for all humanity, and giving out free food the man picks free food.

There is almost nothing commendable to him except he is the least bad option.

Its also fun and exciting to support someone who could win and knock Hillary out.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

There is almost nothing commendable to him except he is the least bad option.

That's it? You're not interested in getting huge amounts of private money (read: bribes) out of politics? Even right-wing folks should be able to get behind that.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

It's certainly a lot easier to convey the premise that "you, person in the audience deserve free stuff" over explaining spontaneous order to the miseducated and uninformed masses.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

It's certainly a lot easier to convey the premise that "you mister person in the audience deserve free stuff" over explaining spontaneous order to the miseducated and uninformed masses.

I pay roughly $33,000/year in taxes between Federal, State, Medicare, and Social Security. Know what I get out of it? Some crumbling infrastructure. Know what I'd like to get out of it? Free college and healthcare would be a nice start.

 

[The Gold Standard]

That's it? You're not interested in getting huge amounts of private money (read: bribes) out of politics? Even right-wing folks should be able to get behind that.

I've heard this bullshit before. How is he going to get private money and bribes out of politics? Politicians are banned from working in the private sector after their terms? No more speaking fees? Politicians don't give a fuck who funds their campaigns, they can't keep that money anyway. It's the money they get to keep that Bernie won't stop, can't stop, and doesn't want to stop, because the only way to stop it is for the government not to have the power to grant favors or interfere in the economy. Bernie wants the government to control the economy, so there will just be more bribes.