Is a tiny NH town going to prove 2020 election fraud beyond a shadow of doubt?

[acptulsa]

I don't know anything about you or your views. But you constantly try to argue with me even though I'm in general agreement with you (e.g. Warp speed = bad).

At the same time, you seem to make everything about Orange Man Bad. Even in this thread, when I made claims about what "the left" is doing, you automatically jumped to "but Trump signed those bills!" even though you had no idea what I was even talking about.

I'm not ready yet to throw you in the same bucket as Sonny and Invisible Man, but your behavior has many many symptoms of TDS.

If you don't have TDS, then just stop acting like it, and stop freaking out every time I say anything remotely positive/neutral about the orange man.

Define TDS. Is TDS the ability to see that he didn't stand up to the left, that he kept the nation going the wrong direction, that he either appointed cogs in the machine (Bolton as NSA) or total incompetents (9iu11iani investigating the election), that he gave trillions to advance the Bill Gates agenda?

A partisan lumps the "a pox on both your parties" crowd in with the opposite partisans because Team X is more important to them than the freedom of their own children and grandchildren.

It doesn't require a deranged mind to see Trump was a tool. It takes a deranged mind to ignore that fact. Yes, he threw us a bone or two. But he saved the biggest ones to bone us with.

As for this evidence in New Hampshire, it can't overturn the stolen election. New Hampshire doesn't send that many electors to the college. But people need to pay attention to it anyway, especially since these same machines are used in the important elections--the primaries, where humans get thrown out in favor of tools like Trump. And if you think it's beneath you to alert Democrats to the fact that these exact same machines told us Clinton beat Sanders in New Hampshire in 2016, you need to read more Sun Tzu.

And no, deranged partisans, I did not just deny that Sanders is just as big a tool as any tool in Washington, including the Wicked Witch. I just suggested a way to turn SDS (Sanders Derangement Syndrome) into something useful.

 

[kahless]

It's fascinating how a voter fraud thread becomes an orange man bad thread.

"If Trump wasn't such a commie fascist narcissistic polarizing NY liberal, he would have won. It wasn't voter fraud".

This forum is full of these comments. The fact remains, based on his performance, that he was one of the most popular incumbents of all time, rivaling Reagan's numbers.
The house lost DEM seats from DJT's coat tails, and a governorship. The super duper popular Biden, had no coat tails. For some reason.

I'm not a fan of Donald. Never voted for him. Couldn't stand to look at him actually. But to say it was his fault he lost doesn't make mathematical sense.

Something about human nature with people looking for a strong male cult leader to worship regardless of facts. This is why Reagan and Trump personalities were so popular with people.

As far as the math, there is voter fraud every cycle, both sides. The thing is how much of it that did not make mathematical sense is propaganda from the right? Every time someone shows me something and I look closely at it, it turns out to be bs. Then a follow-up to convince me will be some pundit talking nonsense for a half hour. (fanboys helping with monetization) It is difficult at times to determine the actual truth considering everything we are told is a lie or a half truth. With that said I think he probably did win but maybe I have just become as gullible as everyone else with propaganda.

 

[TheTexan]

Define TDS. Is TDS a refusal to see that he didn't stand up to the left, that he kept the nation going the wrong direction, that he either appointed cogs in the machine (Bolton as NSA) or total incompetents (9iu11iani investigating the election), that he gave trillions to advance the Bill Gates agenda?

A partisan lumps the "a pox on both your parties" crowd in with the opposite partisans because Team X is more important to them than the freedom of their own children and grandchildren.

There isn't yet a DSM-5 definition of TDS, but some common symptoms:

1) Intense hatred toward Trump (above & beyond previous presidents)
2) Automatic belief in any statement that villifies him
3) Automatic disbelief in any statement that defends him
4) Vilifies anyone who doesnt display a hatred of Trump
5) Is obsessed with Trump and makes every topic about Trump
6) Becomes irrational & incoherent as a defense mechanism to avoid truth

 

[otherone]

Something about human nature with people looking for a strong male cult leader to worship regardless of facts. This is why Reagan and Trump personalities were so popular with people.

As far as the math, there is voter fraud every cycle, both sides. The thing is how much of it that did not make mathematical sense is propaganda from the right? Every time someone shows me something and I look closely at it, it turns out to be bs. Then a follow-up to convince me will be some pundit talking nonsense for a half hour. (fanboys helping with monetization) It is difficult at times to determine the actual truth considering everything we are told is a lie or a half truth. With that said I think he probably did win but maybe I have just become as gullible as everyone else with propaganda.

I can guarantee that the vast majority of Trump voters didn't like him personally. Yes, there was a minority comprised of sycophants, but they aren't where Trump got his votes. The math I mentioned had nothing to do with evidence of fraud. It was to show that DJT was the most popular incumbent in history to lose. Trump didn't lose because of his personality or policy. In the absence of fraud, maybe it was a concerted organized grassroots effort (especially in swing states) that had Biden win. I look forward to an in depth analysis with those specifics.

 

[kahless]

There isn't yet a DSM-5 definition of TDS, but some common symptoms:

1) Intense hatred toward Trump (above & beyond previous presidents)
2) Automatic belief in any statement that villifies him
3) Automatic disbelief in any statement that defends him
4) Vilifies anyone who doesnt display a hatred of Trump
5) Is obsessed with Trump and makes every topic about Trump

There are people that picked up the behavior from the news media for sure. I think people fail to recognize allot of that behavior stems from people that had dealings with him and/or his organization that ended badly or they know things that they cannot say publicly for various reasons.

Unfortunately people seem to accept whatever personality they are presented on TV as being who these people are and in many cases that is far from the truth.

 

[acptulsa]

There isn't yet a DSM-5 definition of TDS, but some common symptoms:

1) Intense hatred toward Trump (above & beyond previous presidents)
2) Automatic belief in any statement that villifies him
3) Automatic disbelief in any statement that defends him
4) Vilifies anyone who doesnt display a hatred of Trump
5) Is obsessed with Trump and makes every topic about Trump

So everyone who goes around making excuses for him can accuse their tormentors of being deranged when they get owned.

Guess who you borrowed that useful tool from, partisan. Who is it that is defining both distrust of government and the desire to own guns as mental illnesses?

 

[TheTexan]

So everyone who goes around making excuses for him can accuse their tormentors of being deranged when they get owned.

Guess who you borrowed that useful tool from, partisan. Who is it that is defining both distrust of government and the desire to own guns as mental illnesses?

Your mental illness is continued to be on display. See symptom #4.

 

[acptulsa]

Your mental illness is continued to be on display. See symptom #4.

So what is the mental illness called when symptom #4 is, Vilifies everyone who fails to slob Trump's knob?

 

[otherone]

Pretty much this.

I would like to know how much was because of fraud and how much was because all the rules were changed. The down-ballot results seem to suggest fraud was a big factor, but the American public has been prevented from any semblance of an audit.

Yup. And the media has done nothing to present anything to explain the anomalies, even going so far as banning discourse on the topic. The optics are very bad. With the Time article, we're starting to see some explanation of legal methods used to elect Biden, but they are going to have to do much better to get Republican voters on board.

 

[TheTexan]

So what is the mental illness called when symptom #4 is, Vilifies everyone who fails to slob Trump's knob?

Added symptom #6

6) Becomes irrational & incoherent as a defense mechanism to avoid truth

 

[acptulsa]

Yup. And the media has done nothing to present anything to explain the anomalies, even going so far as banning discourse on the topic. The optics are very bad. With the Time article, we're starting to see some explanation of legal methods used to elect Biden, but they are going to have to do much better to get Republican voters on board.

Well Bernie Bros have skin in the game. New Hampshire not only kicks off the primary voting, it sends delegates proportionally. How much more overwhelming was this early 2016 Sanders victory than was reported?

Why wouldn't we want them stirring shit over this?

 

[Anti Federalist]

As for this evidence in New Hampshire, it can't overturn the stolen election. New Hampshire doesn't send that many electors to the college. But people need to pay attention to it anyway

And that is why I worded my headline carefully.

I don't claim it will overturn anything at this point.

But this does, at least at first glance, provide actual hard proof of widespread and penetrating election fraud that I (and the rest of the American people) had been demanding from the mob of lawyers.

Not shadowy conspiracies, Kracken releases, "bombshell" droppings and Q-turds.

 

[TheTexan]

And that is why I worded my headline carefully.

I don't claim it will overturn anything at this point.

But this does, at least at first glance, provide actual hard proof of widespread and penetrating election fraud that I (and the rest of the American people) had been demanding from the mob of lawyers.

Not shadowy conspiracies, Kracken releases, "bombshell" droppings and Q-turds.

There's plenty of "actual hard proof" of widespread fraud already, just in other categories. (constitutional, observer laws, etc)

But if this NH town proves this, it would provide hard proof of fraud in the "voting machine" category, which to-date has been mere speculation.

 

[RJB]

Even if there is %100 proof that the election was stolen, it will not get reported. Most people don't care either way. Biden is firmly ensconced and in control of uniformed men with guns. It's just the way it is.

 

[TheTexan]

Even if there is %100 proof that the election was stolen, it will not get reported. Biden is firmly ensconced and in control of uniformed men with guns. It's just the way it is.

Indeed

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Sure, those things are not good, but still generally par for the course of any president. Seems like an over-dramatization to describe it as "paramount in leading our country into fascism."

Seems like an over-dramatization, when actually fascist things (what the leftists are doing) are indeed actually happening.

And please don't let this turn into the 101'st time you argue about how the lockdowns were Trump's fault. Noone except you cares.

You have to know the players to make sense of this forum. Invisible_Superflous_Man is an immigration/open borders zealot. It is his primary and priority concern, above all else.

The “lockdowns” he is so concerned about is in regard to the travel bans that Trump put into place.

 

[Invisible Man]

You have to know the players to make sense of this forum. Invisible_Superflous_Man is an immigration/open borders zealot. It is his primary and priority concern, above all else.

That is not true. I do oppose government restriction of immigration. But not with any more zeal than many other issues. It has never been an issue that decided whether I would support a candidate or not. I was a big supporter of John Hostettler for senate, in spite of the fact that significantly increasing immigration restriction was a signature issue of his (one that he took far more seriously than Trump ever did).

And the lockdowns I am concerned about went far beyond the travel restrictions. But the part the travel restrictions played in them should not be overlooked.

 

[Anti Federalist]

There's plenty of "actual hard proof" of widespread fraud already, just in other categories. (constitutional, observer laws, etc)

But if this NH town proves this, it would provide hard proof of fraud in the "voting machine" category, which to-date has been mere speculation.

To my mind, those "other categories" indicate shenanigans...ways by which to cover up and obscure the fraud.

These new revelations indicate the fraud itself.

 

[tod evans]

AF,

Can a person or even a few people be tied to the machine-rigging?

 

[Anti Federalist]

AF,

Can a person or even a few people be tied to the machine-rigging?

Not that I can tell so far.

In small NH towns the people who are in charge of storing and securing voting machines are, quite literally, little old church ladies.

I doubt they would have the means or the knowledge to tamper with the coding to gain these results.

I'm guessing the most feasible way would have been to send out a "service recall" of some sorts, either real or staged, to allow access to the machines sometime last year by techs with the required knowledge.