Invasion USA

[acptulsa]

Move on, folks, nothing to see here.


Don't you know that American's don't "Follow the Money"?

Don't you know that American's would much rather spend more money in order to save money? [is that even possible?]

Don't you know that instead of stopping the payments, American's would much rather exchange their own liberties, and continue financing the security [industrial complex]?

Why stop payment, when you can ignore and side-step the root problem, and look for more ways to spend on top of that?

Why listen to Ben Franklin tell us those who are willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither one, and get what they deserve (along with anyone else unlucky enough to be in the neighborhood)?

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1754583696638648736

 

[PAF]

https://twitter.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1754583696638648736

AF, who is "they"? Do you happen to know the group, agency or title number that is responsible?

 

[susano]

Leaving the PLANNED, COORDINATED effort led by BOTH Parties, NGO's and .Gov contractors ASIDE:

I have a completely different perspective which may or may not be "popular". I live in a very ethnic town consisting of many nationalities; Italian, Greek, Syrian, Spanish, Oriental, etc. I can say from personal experience that for the most part they are very hard working and we all get along just fine. Over the past few years I have seen a slight influx of immigrants coming in, and they, too, are hard working. New restaurants, a new paving company, other local businesses, and recently a group of 3 young men who are originally from Mexico recently installed my wall-to-wall carpeting and did a fantastic job.

I see people as individuals and never blanket-label anybody. I embrace the Christian view, and the Bill of Rights which outline our Natural Rights, which are not only for Americans, but all human beings.

That said, as a white person myself, I can also say this: when I worked the '12 Ron Paul campaign, it was the ladies with dyed red hair and the men with the "Veteran" ball-caps at Republican Committees who insisted that Romney was the all-mighty sacred one, and completely dis'd Ron Paul. It was the 3 Iranian sisters, Mexican families, and a variety of other immigrants who lived here who were not able to vote, but helped me tremendously in getting all 3 of Ron Paul delegates to win hands-down.

This immigrant crisis is being coordinated. It is designed to cause Americans to sacrifice more liberty (just like 9-11) in order to implement more security. I simply am not falling for their tactics. The money going out as incentives, as much as I abhor it, is nothing compared to what it will cost in liberty AND money to build their walls, implement biometric-security, aerial-drones and cameras on every street corner, expansion of the Constitution-Free-Zone, not to mention the strain that it will put on AG/cattle-ranching, to empower the globalist corporations (synthetic meat and protein-bugs).

It is also designed so that government will have more of a strangle-hold on more small/medium businesses; who they can/can't hire, dictate salaries/minimum-wage, and other government conditions. The small/medium companies suffer, the globalist corporations will dominate. This will set up a permanent public/private system = Fascism at its finest.

If the politicians were actually serious about this "crisis", they would simply stop giving tax-payer money to the immigrants as incentives, and stop giving tax-payer money to the NGO's and contractors who are coordinating and profiting by these transports. And rather than the American people demanding more anti-liberty and astronomical costly measures, they would/should be all over the politicians that they put into office and demand stop-payment.

You didn't say anything I don't agree with (for the most part) - . I've lived in Los Angeles, in some very diverse communities and there are decent people from all all over. I'll just say that is not the same as the socially engineered mass transfer of populations that that we're seeing, now, and there are some cultures that simply don't mix with others because the beliefs and value systems are so different. In transient places, international crossroads and big cities, one expects to mingle with people and cultures from all over the world. In small towns and provincial areas, that's not so and shouldn't happen unless it's wanted.

You might find this of interest. It's the best piece I've ever read on the subject of immigration, bar none:

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/immigration.htm

 

[PAF]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754480700122665034

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

Doesn't it make more sense to ^ stop payment ^ and hold those responsible, than to fall for yet another tactic and spend more on top of that, which will restrict more of our freedoms? Haven't we learned anything from 9-11, Patriot Act?

It strongly appears to me that most, if not all folks, completely ignore, or couldn't care less, about the money being spent to transport them in, but are thrilled to think that spending vast more money on anti-liberty solutions will "solve" the problem. Haven't we learned by now that every "crisis" always, always leads to more tyranny, and the actual simplest, real solution is to stop payment/funding?

 

[Anti Federalist]

AF, who is "they"? Do you happen to know the group, agency or title number that is responsible?

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

"They" are legion.

There are numerous religious charities involved as "NGOs" that assist in transport cost, airfares and so on.

There are secular "aid" orgs that do the same thing.

At a higher level there are orgs like Soros' "Open Society" that are coordinating things at an international level and liaison and lobby with governments around the world.

And then at the highest level is government, in our case one that is shot full of traitors and Quislings who are seeking the nation's destruction.

Some of these groups are working on misguided altruism and toxic pity.

But others are just as committed to the nation's ruin as the most committed street Bolshevik is.

That's a quick thumbnail of "they".

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah, man. And, so I'm repeatedly told, Trump is our only hope of stopping it. And I'm also told, repeatedly, that Trump couldn't do this because Congress and couldn't do that because bureaucrats and couldn't do the other thing because media. And we all know there's no profit in all this until they lock us down and finish making slaves of us. The only way they can take this gamble is by cranking up the proverbial printing presses.

This is who you want to give more money to:

And you want to reinstall the curiously ineffective (but thoroughly alibied) Trump, who had four years to find and fix that very sort of problem, and didn't.

I'm so afraid Abbott will never nut up and secede. Hope the Indians do soon. I want off this ship of fools.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754480700122665034

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

Doesn't it make more sense to ^ stop payment ^ and hold those responsible, than to fall for yet another tactic and spend more on top of that, which will restrict more of our freedoms? Haven't we learned anything from 9-11, Patriot Act?

It strongly appears to me that most, if not all folks, completely ignore, or couldn't care less, about the money being spent to transport them in, but are thrilled to think that spending vast more money on anti-liberty solutions will "solve" the problem. Haven't we learned by now that every "crisis" always, always leads to more tyranny, and the actual simplest, real solution is to stop payment/funding?

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

Why not both?

Cease the funding and put in place effective barriers at the border to stop the invasion.

It could be done at one tenth the cost of what we sent Ukraine or Israel in the last couple of years to secure their borders.

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

"They" are legion.

There are numerous religious charities involved as "NGOs" that assist in transport cost, airfares and so on.

There are secular "aid" orgs that do the same thing.

At a higher level there are orgs like Soros' "Open Society" that are coordinating things at an international level and liaison and lobby with governments around the world.

And then at the highest level is government, in our case one that is shot full of traitors and Quislings who are seeking the nation's destruction.

Some of these groups are working on misguided altruism and toxic pity.

But others are just as committed to the nation's ruin as the most committed street Bolshevik is.

That's a quick thumbnail of "they".

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754480700122665034


Sorry to break it to you, but "they" is your GOP Republican Party. It is a revolving door, in order to profit the industrial complexes, of which you and most Americans facilitate. As I eluded, Americans learned nothing from 9-11, Patriot Act, TSA, etc.

Perhaps re-read [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] Post #251

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry to break it to you, but "they" is your GOP Republican Party. It is a revolving door, in order to profit the industrial complexes, of which you and most Americans facilitate. As I eluded, Americans learned nothing from 9-11, Patriot Act, TSA, etc.

What in the world makes you think I am not already well aware of that? The same people that LIHOPed 9/11 are the same scoundrels running the invasion.

It's "my" GOP only so far as the few people in government that represent me, happen to be part of the party, Paul and Massie and Lee and a couple others.

And the MIC goes abroad in search of more and more war, that is it's lifeblood.

How am I "supporting" them if I want that to end?

 

[PAF]

What in the world makes you think I am not already well aware of that? The same people that LIHOPed 9/11 are the same scoundrels running the invasion.

It's "my" GOP only so far as the few people in government that represent me, happen to be part of the party, Paul and Massie and Lee and a couple others.

And the MIC goes abroad in search of more and more war, that is it's lifeblood.

How am I "supporting" them if I want that to end?

Because non-economically, you want to do "both" (Post #258), which continues to line the pockets of the industrial complexes, which does nothing but perpetuate the problem of reducing my liberty/freedom.

 

[acptulsa]

Cease the funding and put in place effective barriers at the border to stop the invasion.

It could be done at one tenth the cost...

Sigh.

How?

Weren't you just saying they are too legion to be stopped?

Electing Trump won't cease the funding. It didn't before. Congress puts funding before him and he signs most of it. The FRN is about to crash, and they're preparing a CBDC that is capable of tracking and taxing every penny of every transaction. Either we kill that, or they can continue to do what they damned well please and we pay through devaluation inflation.

If we cut off that teat, we won't even be able to afford one tenth the cost of this crap they do. We're talking Argentine Reset. The good news is, not many people who don't speak the language, don't understand the customers, have IQs in the eighties and don't get welfare will hang around long enough to see us rebuild. Most of those stubborn few who try will starve. And if we publicly hang several of the people who funded the caravans, we won't have to hang the people from them. They'll get the message and go.

That's how completely they've used up what went before. They created a major problem, and either we're going to hijack it and reset, or they're going to introduce their own "reset" and seal our fate. They want us to stick with them, so they've introduced a problem government usually fixes. But now government creates it so we will depend on government to fix it. You don't feel somewhat like a damned fool doing that happy shit?

We either keep trying to treat the symptoms and wondering why we never get better, or we toss the patent medicines, suffer through the fever and get healthy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sigh.

How?

Weren't you just saying they are too legion to be stopped?

Electing Trump won't cease the funding. It didn't before. Congress puts funding before him and he signs most of it. The FRN is about to crash, and they're preparing a CBDC that is capable of tracking and taxing every penny of every transaction. Either we kill that, or they can continue to do what they damned well please and we pay through devaluation inflation.

If we cut off that teat, we won't even be able to afford one tenth the cost of this crap they do. We're talking Argentine Reset. The good news is, not many people who don't speak the language, don't understand the customers, have IQs in the eighties and don't get welfare will hang around long enough to see us rebuild. Most of those stubborn few who try will starve.

That's how completely they've used up what went before.

We either keep trying to treat the symptoms and wondering why we never get better, or we toss the patent medicines, suffer through the fever and get healthy.

San Fran was cleaned up in three days because the Communist Chinese were showing up.

It can be done, it can be done at a reasonable cost, it can be done in a timely manner.

They do not want it to be done.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1754609281939148824

 

[acptulsa]

San Fran was cleaned up in three days because the Communist Chinese were showing up.

It can be done, it can be done at a reasonable cost, it can be done in a timely manner.

They do not want it to be done.

Good. Throw more money at them. Give Republicans more power to hand over to the Democrats and starve ourselves to throw more money at the very people creating the goddamned problem.

Count me out.

 

[PAF]

Good. Throw more money at them. Give Republicans more power to hand over to the Democrats and starve ourselves to throw more money at the very people creating the goddamned problem.

Count me out.

Count me out too.

I don't want to speak out of line, but, it seems to me folks like that are actually a-o-k "safe and secure" with Patriot Act, TSA, Section 702, because, terrorists.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good. Throw more money at them. Give Republicans more power to hand over to the Democrats and starve ourselves to throw more money at the very people creating the goddamned problem.

Count me out.

Count me out too.

I don't want to speak out of line, but, it seems to me folks like that are actually a-o-k "safe and secure" with Patriot Act, TSA, Section 702, because, terrorists.

Never did plan on changing your minds on this.

You asked a few questions and I answered them.

I have never been in favor of open borders and unlimited immigration.

You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine right here to prove that.

All I can do is present my case.

 

[acptulsa]

Never did plan on changing your minds on this.

You asked a few questions and I answered them.

I have never been in favor of open borders and unlimited immigration.

You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine right here to prove that.

All I can do is present my case.

You act like I am. You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine and straighten your own self out. I'm just sick and fucking tired of people telling me over and over again the car doesn't run because the dome light burned out, and we need to pull the headliner and find the short in order to drive it. It's bullshit.

You've devolved into one if those "if you don't support the federal ED you don't want children to learn" types.

 

[PAF]

Never did plan on changing your minds on this.

You asked a few questions and I answered them.

I have never been in favor of open borders and unlimited immigration.

You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine right here to prove that.

All I can do is present my case.

You act like I am. You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine and straighten your own self out. I'm just sick and $#@!ing tired of people telling me over and over again the car doesn't run because the dome light burned out, and we need to pull the headliner and find the short in order to drive it. It's bull$#@!.

You've devolved into one if those "if you don't support the federal ED you don't want children to learn" types.

I honestly don't know what part they don't understand. It was just shown that the GOP authorized $2.3 BILLION to facilitate the transport of immigrants, so that their industrial complexes can provide anti-liberty security "solutions". UNTIL the funding stops, this wheel, this cycle, will never ever stop, at which point every single one of our rights will be stripped, and we are broke-broke-broke [not that we aren't already].

It would be a completely different story if once funding stopped and immigrants were coming in in massive droves on their own. The fact is, without GOP and/or any other funding, they would not be coming in like they are and we would not be in this situation in the first place. I thought we were supposed to want to defund the state/fed, but as long as the endless, cyclic spending continues, people seem to insist on turning a blind eye. To me, that is nothing but hatred, not only toward immigrants, but anybody who values their freedom and liberty.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You act like I am. You can go back and look at decades old posts of mine and straighten your own self out. I'm just sick and fucking tired of people telling me over and over again the car doesn't run because the dome light burned out, and we need to pull the headliner and find the short in order to drive it. It's bullshit.

You've devolved into one if those "if you don't support the federal ED you don't want children to learn" types.

I think you are wrong.

You are as wrong as can possibly be, and the entire future of western civilization is in the balance.

Check your ego, open your eyes and sort your own fucking self out.