Internet NEUTRALITY is VERY BAD

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There are trolls appearing on this forum trying to tell people that

INTERNET MUST STAY NEUTRAL.


This is the name of tha Government legislation NET NEUTRALITY ACT, which is basically GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the Internet.

Don't be fooled by the word NEUTRAL.

It is same kind of lie as FEDERAL RESERVE.

INTERNET MUST STAY FREE.
 
There are trolls appearing on this forum trying to tell people that

INTERNET MUST STAY NEUTRAL.


This is the name of tha Government legislation NET NEUTRALITY ACT, which is basically GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the Internet.

Don't be fooled by the word NEUTRAL.

It is same kind of lie as FEDERAL RESERVE.

INTERNET MUST STAY FREE.

Sure, instead of government protection of a free speech outlet, which is demanded in our constitution, let's let Rupert Murdoch and the big telecoms buy up the net! The philosophy of liberty will really flourish then!

/sarcasm
 
Thank you!!!

I recently took a "candidate calculator" survey to see which candidate I most agreed with (93% Ron Paul!!!:cool:), but I was confused by the term Internet neutrality. I read the description of it and decided to vote 'no' to internet neutrality.

Then I had an argument with my friend's dad as to what support for internet neutrality means. My friend took his dad's side and voted for Internet neutrality, on the basis that it 'should be kept neutral,' and 'fair for everyone.'

I got confused. Then, I've been looking all over the web for what Ron Paul thinks about Internet Neutrality (I know he had been opposed to regulation) and saw that he was Pro-neutrality and Anti-neutrality. I was wondering if others had been as confused as I was.

Now that I've read this it's clarified some things for me. Thanks!

(I think that the point I disagreed with Dr. Paul on was the Border Fence, I said no, even though he publicly claims that the only reason he voted for it was that it also meant denying amnesty towards illegal immigrants-- he doesn't really think a fence is a practical idea. I live in El Paso, TX, a border town, and I think the idea of a border fence is REDUNCULOUS.)

Here's the test if you want to take it: http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html
 
Im Pro- Patriot Act. We need to be patriotic. Patriotism needs to be protected, unless you want to leave patriotism to guys like Rupert Murdoch
 
Sure, instead of government protection of a free speech outlet, which is demanded in our constitution, let's let Rupert Murdoch and the big telecoms buy up the net! The philosophy of liberty will really flourish then!
Murdoch is the son of a newspaper proprietor...
Murdoch Wikipedia
His son James will probably take over so look out, no doubt he will try to build up more control by owning the internet or whatever he can! How else would he be able to top his dad as his dad... dad...
James Murdoch
 
All net neutrality means is that ISPs have to treat all data that comes through them equally. Without it, they could extort various websites to have their data display faster. Or, they could censor things and just say that it's not high priority data, and that's why it's not getting through. Or any number of nefarious things.

Net neutrality is important to have. I don't want Ma Bell controlling what I can and can't access. While it would be nice if we could let the market take care of it, 1) most people have only one provider in their area, and 2) they can still screw up other people's data that happens to go through their networks.

Don't be fooled by these idiots who only see "government regulation". We regulate monopolies. It's necessary. Get over it.
 
Net neutrality means , quite simply... would you want providers to be allowed to filter, limit, control, or otherwise edit/manipulate/charge for various features of the internet.

For example, imagine paying an extra fee per month to use google. . or WoW.. or AIM/ICQ/Yahoochat.

That's NON neutrality.

What Net Neutrality means is that your access to reach any site is not controlled by a third party outside of you and the site.

I'm personally for it. If you think they're censoring Ron Paul now, wait until the cable companies and what not that control the access to the net start making it REAL hard to get to RPF.com
 
Don't be fooled by these idiots who only see "government regulation". We regulate monopolies. It's necessary. Get over it.

That's not very Libertarian; monopolies only exist because of government...regulating "monopolies" usually only benefits the companies in the long run.

Net neutrality....there's several arguments for and against it....I'm a bit neutral, but lean towards enforcing it, just not through legislation.

against:
-it's the telcom's networks; why should the government be able to tell them what to do with it?
-it could lead to more regulation in the future, only it would be negative.

For:
-free speech/interaction/websites could be hindered...just not by the government, but the corporations themselves.


Realistically, it's not getting at the very heart of the problem....and that's the FCC. The FCC helps create the monopolies by granting telcom and cablecom's exclusive rights to an area....often when a competing telephone company comes in, they're blocked from doing so because "there's already an established company".

This, in itself sets up the telcoms and cablecoms as media monopolies...if the FCC didn't exist (or do what they do), then we'd have a lot more cable and telephone companies all competing against each other....and the companies that would block certain traffic would fall off the edge of the world very quickly.

I really cannot truly describe how much I detest the FCC; even before I had Libertarian ideals, I wished they would be abolished, simply because of the amount of problems they've created and enforced.


So, net neutrality, for? Against?

I generally lean towards "against" and abolishing the FCC in the process.

as for if I wanted it to be enforced, then it should be handled by the court-system, and not through legislation.
 
Net neutrality means , quite simply... would you want providers to be allowed to filter, limit, control, or otherwise edit/manipulate/charge for various features of the internet.

For example, imagine paying an extra fee per month to use google. . or WoW.. or AIM/ICQ/Yahoochat.

This is like saying that the government should regulate McDonalds because you are worried they are going to start charging you extra for napkins

1. Its their napkins, they can charge money for them if they want.
2. There is no reason to believe they are actually going to do this
 
This is like saying that the government should regulate McDonalds because you are worried they are going to start charging you extra for napkins

1. Its their napkins, they can charge money for them if they want.
2. There is no reason to believe they are actually going to do this

No.. your anaolgy is false.

It's MORE like saying that Youtube should charge you ONLY to watch Ron Paul Videos (or whatever they want to charge you for)

To make your analogy make more sense..

It's like McDonalds charging you for parking even though you walked in.

As for them "Not doing it", guess what? Comcast ALREADY IS limiting traffic on a variety of protocols, not the least of which is Bittorrent. They also delay traffic to websites. It's going on RIGHT NOW, because it's legal.

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Let me edit something, since that Youtube example still seems to be regulatory and is their decision.

The reason this is bad is because it is the antithesis of Free Trade. It's closed trade.. restricted trade. The government right now has no control over the internet, none. And they likely never will. Right now, the internet is controlled solely by the interests of large corporations. Up to now, they've played "nice" with each other. But, sometime down the road, they might NOT. I don't want to pay extra for Myspace because Comcast wants me to. I don't want to pay per google search. Trust me, they CAN do this.
 
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Net Neutrality is supported by people who think our government angels will save us from the evil big corporations like Comcast. What they fail to realize is that the legislation will likely be designed by the guys over at Comcast.
 
Comcast is getting punished financially for many of its stupid mistakes already. As long as the government isn't regulating to create/benefit monopolies, wouldn't Comcast continue to be punished if they gave preferential treatment to some websites? A free(er) market would surely take care of this (potential) problem. No?
 
Comcast is getting punished financially for many of its stupid mistakes already. As long as the government isn't regulating to create/benefit monopolies, wouldn't Comcast continue to be punished if they gave preferential treatment to some websites? A free(er) market would surely take care of this (potential) problem. No?

Exactly. Net Neutrality is nothing more than a system in which the corporations can establish their monopolies without fear of the free market.

Its just like the "Universal Healthcare" scam. Its a deal set up by the medical industry for a perpetual monopoly mandated by law.


Really, its a bunch of guys who saw what happened to AOL, and thought, "Hmm, If only we could screw customers without going bankrupt. . . NET NEUTRALITY!"
 
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Why did net neutrality even become an issue in the first place? Did a corporation actually do anything to warrant the discussion, or did some politicians just want to start something for political points, or worse to appease some group of lobbyists, or worse still to gain control of the Internet?

Anyway, the government is just another corporation in my opinion, only with even more shareholders (voters) than there are in private corporations, which means each has less of a voice, and a monopoly on the use of coercive force.
 
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