IMPORTANT! Why Ron Paul Must NEVER Run as an Independent.

FUNNY how NEW MEMBERS are always telling Dr. Paul what he can NEVER do.

If he believes it serves the interests of America, and a return to Constitutionalism -- Dr. Paul will run Independent or 3rd Party.

If he does -- the R3VOLUTION will support him 110%. And so will I.
 
I think we should continue to reform the Republican Party.

It's our best chance.

Making a third party will take at least 30-40 years I bet.
 
I will teach them that even a rat knows when to abandon a sinking ship.

I'm so fucking happy that our founding fathers didn't think like that. They'd have thrown in the towel after the Battle of Bunkerhill! And today, we'd all be worshiping a king on the other side of the ocean. Sad. :mad:
 
If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, the fewer people who vote for the party, the better.

I don't have to lift a finger to destroy the party, Bush did it for me. Just about the only good thing he ever did.

You say it'll be easy to take over the party, and yet after all the money poured into them what respect have we garnered? Look what happened at the DC straw poll.

You may as well suggest we take over the Socialist party.
 
I'm so fucking happy that our founding fathers didn't think like that. They'd have thrown in the towel after the Battle of Bunkerhill! And today, we'd all be worshiping a king on the other side of the ocean. Sad. :mad:
Our founding fathers had a backbone and were ready to go to war.

Are you?
 
Sadly, I think that if RP doesn't win, it won't matter. We won't have TIME to take over the GOP. Or start a 3rd party. If he doesn't win, the country will be totally bankrupt by the time the next president is done with their 1st term.
 
If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, the fewer people who vote for the party, the better.

I don't have to lift a finger to destroy the party, Bush did it for me. Just about the only good thing he ever did.

The issue isn't the effect running as a third party will have on the Republican Party but the effect it will have on the credibility of the Ron Paul Revolution and the Ron Paul Republicans running for Congress. Long term, we're better off reforming the Republican Party and getting some like-minded people in Congress than spending all our time trying to get on the ballot every four years.
 
Making a third party will take at least 30-40 years I bet.

When new parties are created, the change is rapid.

If we're the only ones keeping the Republican party afloat, then better to push them under.

The neo-cons are evidently a very successful minority, and they don't care what party they latch onto.

The Republican leadership aren't our friends. They give us NO respect. Stop showering them with money.
 
Can't believe some of you GOP lovers won't vote outside of your party.

Look if RP doesn't get the republican nomination, it will be better for him to run as an independent/3rd party than for him to not run at all. It's that simple.
 
BTW, if you haven't noticed, we're giving the Republicans a chance. There has never been a clearer choice, and we see what's happening. Please, don't fool yourself into believing the GOP is merely passive in Ron being shut out. Look what happened in Louisiana!

I'm not saying don't run as a Republican, if you wish. If the GOP is as weak as you say, then you may run unopposed. Unfortunately, you're living in a dream world, as evidenced by the GOP actively running candidates AGAINST Ron every two years (backed by our other friend, the NRA).

What am I missing here? I'm not going to spend my time and treasure to help the GOP destroy America.
 
By all means explain where I am wrong. Please let me know.

I've never seen him make a statement on the matter completely ruling out a 3rd party or independent run. They've tried to paint him in that corner 100s of times, because they fear an independent run from him. He always has the same "not entirely ruling anything out" answer.

He will manage his political career as he sees fit. A 3rd party or independent run is not counter to anything he's ever said. It's obvious that the entire mainstream media and even his own party are completely against him.

Had he been given a fair shot and the rest of the electorate didn't want what I want, then I'd just have to deal with that personally. Instead, they've marginalized huge accomplishments and tried to smear him at every turn.

Unless he drops out, I'm campaigning until November. His party affiliation is of no concern to me.
 
True Conservative Bruce Wayne: The Republican party isn't beyond saving ... give me more time, there are good people here.

Neo-con Ra's Al Ghul: How can you defend a party so corrupt we have infiltrated every level of it's infrastructure?

...

Ron Paul shouldn't run 3rd party. He should run as a Republican, but on the ballot under the name the Constitution Party or Libertarian. But I think having a parallel campaign to the GOP would be interesting. Fact of the matter is, if Ron doesn't go through the national, the message is going to stop here. Lots don't pay attention until the general election starts up. No matter what, Ron has to keep his voice heard.
 
I am personally of the opinion that it is more important that RP run in the general election and continue to spread the message of individual liberty than it is for him to quietly return to his Republican congressional seat. I think an independent run will actually do more to help the Ron Paul Republicans running for various offices than if RP just returned to his previous position.
 
Interesting from wikipedia about Ross Perot's Independent run in 1992:

[edit] 1992 presidential candidacy

Ross Perot on the cover of Time MagazineOn February 20, 1992, he appeared on CNN's Larry King Live and announced his intention to run if his supporters could get his name on the ballot in all 50 states. With such declared policies as balancing the federal budget, firm pro-choice stance, expansion of the war on drugs, ending outsourcing of jobs, opposition to gun control, belief in protectionism on trade, his support of the Environmental Protection Agency and enacting electronic direct democracy via "electronic town halls," he became a potential candidate and soon polled roughly even with the two major party candidates.

Perot's candidacy received increasing media attention when the competitive phase of the primary season ended for the two major parties. President George H.W. Bush was losing support, and Democratic nominee Bill Clinton was still suffering from the numerous scandal allegations made in the previous months. With the insurgent candidacies of Republican Pat Buchanan and Democrat Jerry Brown winding down, Perot was the natural beneficiary of populist resentment toward establishment politicians. On May 25, 1992 he was featured on the cover of Time Magazine with the title "Waiting for Perot", an allusion to Samuel Beckett's play Waiting for Godot.[5]

With several months to go until the Democratic and Republican conventions, Perot filled the vacuum of election news, as his supporters began petition drives to get him on the ballot in all 50 states. This sense of momentum was reinforced when Perot hired two savvy campaign managers in Democrat Hamilton Jordan and Republican Ed Rollins.

Accompanying the surge in support for Perot was increased scrutiny of his background. Reports surfaced of Perot hiring private investigators to obtain personal information about business and political adversaries. His temperament was brought into question by some who claimed that he exhibited irritability and an authoritarian management style. Around the same time, Perot was criticized for a remark made during a speech at the NAACP convention. Perot was sympathizing with the plight of African Americans during tough economic times, but referred to his audience as "you people", a phrase that was loudly objected to by some members of the audience, and deemed insensitive by the media.

These developments had an adverse impact on Perot's campaign and his approval rating in opinion polls was no longer rising. On July 16, 1992, Perot reconsidered running for the presidency, even if he was not placed on all 50 state ballots. At that time he was only on 24 state ballots. He was encouraged by the selection of the Democratic party ticket of Bill Clinton and Al Gore at the Democratic National Convention.

Nevertheless, in September he qualified for all 50 state ballots. On October 1, he announced his intention to start running again. He explained his earlier withdrawal by claiming that Republican operatives had wanted to reveal compromising photos of his daughter, which would disrupt her wedding, and he wanted to spare her from embarrassment. Scott Barnes, a private investigator and security consultant who had testified to that effect and supported Perot's story would later, in 1997, reveal that he had tricked Perot into believing that it was true, but it was a hoax he created with others outside any political campaign. Barnes was a Perot supporter, and believed if it were revealed Republicans were involved in dirty tricks, it would harm Bush's candidacy.[6]

He campaigned in 16 states and spent an estimated $65.4 million of his own money. Perot employed the innovative strategy of purchasing half-hour blocks of time on major networks for infomercial-type campaign ads; these ads garnered more viewership than many sitcoms, with one Friday night program in October attracting 10.5 million viewers.[7]

Perot's running mate was retired Vice Admiral James Stockdale, a well-respected former Vietnam prisoner of war (POW). Perot was a long-time supporter of POWs. In December 1969 he organized and flew to North Vietnam in an attempt to deliver 30-tons of supplies to beleaguered American POWs in North Vietnam. Although North Vietnam blocked the flights, the effort was instrumental in bringing the plight of those POWs to the world's attention and their captors soon began treating them better.[2]

At one point in June, Perot led the polls with 39% (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton). Just prior to the debates, Perot received 7-9% support in nationwide polls. It is likely that the debates played a significant role in his ultimate receipt of 19% of the popular vote. Although his answers during the debates were often general, many Democrats and Republicans conceded that Perot won at least the first debate.[citation needed] In debate he is noted to have said: "Keep in mind our Constitution predates the Industrial Revolution. Our founders did not know about electricity, the train, telephones, radio, television, automobiles, airplanes, rockets, nuclear weapons, satellites, or space exploration. There's a lot they didn't know about. It would be interesting to see what kind of document they'd draft today. Just keeping it frozen in time won't hack it."[citation needed]

Perot displayed his contempt for the Washington establishment as he denounced Congress for its inaction. Washington, Perot said,

… has become a town filled with sound bites, shell games, handlers, media stuntmen who posture, create images, talk, shoot off Roman candles, but don't ever accomplish anything. We need deeds, not words, in this city.[citation needed]

In July, while Perot was pondering whether to run for office, his supporters established a campaign organization United We Stand America. Perot was late in making formal policy proposals, but most of what he did call for were intended to reduce the deficit. He wanted a gasoline tax increase and some cutbacks of Social Security.

In the 1992 election, he received 18.9% of the popular vote - approximately 19,741,065 votes - (but no electoral college votes), making him the most successful third-party presidential candidate in terms of the popular vote since Theodore Roosevelt in the 1912 election. Perot managed to finish second in two states: In Maine, Perot received 30.44% of the vote to Bush's 30.39% (Clinton won Maine with 38.77%); In Utah, Perot received 27.34% of the vote to Clinton's 24.65% (Bush won Utah with 43.36%).

According to Ronald Rapoport and Walter Stone (2005), Perot's appeal came from two sources. First was his outsider, crusading zeal that made the major parties seem reactionary. Second, he adopted specific positions that had been abandoned by both parties — he was nationalistic and isolationist; he was conservative in social policy. He opposed free trade. He was above all a crusader for a balanced budget, as he warned of the horrors of the national debt.

A detailed analysis of the voting demographics revealed that Perot's support drew heavily from across the political spectrum, with 20% of his votes coming from self-described liberals, 27% from self-described conservatives, and 53% coming from self-described moderates. Economically, however, the majority of Perot voters (57%) were middle class, earning between $15,000 and $49,000 annually, with the bulk of the remainder drawing from the upper middle class (29% earning over $50,000 annually).[8]

Based on his performance in the popular vote in 1992, Perot was entitled to receive federal election funding for 1996. Perot remained in the public eye after the election and championed opposition to NAFTA, urging voters to listen for the "giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south to Mexico should NAFTA be ratified.
 
I was under the impression that the Ron Paul Revolution was an American Revolution, not a Republican Revolution.
Beautiful man!
And I believe that this is the opinion of the majority of Ron Paul's supporters.
But I also cannot deny that throw Ron Paul I have learned many things about the Republican party things which I would never knew if I did not listen to a man like him.
But knowing that the principles of the Republican party are good is totally meaningless if the so called Republican party has been hijacked by the most corrupt people in this country.
This party has only one chance which is Ron Paul and this chance is only a right now chance(no later) and if they would not wakeup and give him this chance then they better blame themselves for later consequences.
It is totally wrong to award this party with our loyalty if they fail this time to recognize us.
 
Can't believe some of you GOP lovers won't vote outside of your party.

Look if RP doesn't get the republican nomination, it will be better for him to run as an independent/3rd party than for him to not run at all. It's that simple.

Which tells me that you are NOT involved with your local GOP.

So you imagine that they are all some BIG, BAD, BOGEYMEN.


Most of the GOP -- like in my state of Wisconsin -- do NOT want or like McCain, really don't like Romney or Huckabee either -- they ONLY reason they do not support Ron Paul is because many of them are still "attached" to Bush and their insane Iraq War -- they rest just don't know WHAT to think.

THE "support" for that war WILL CHANGE -- as soon as a DEMOCRAT takes power and "owns" the Iraq War. If they are true Neo-cons they will leave the party and go for HRC (like Ann Coulter is doing) or they will stay home (like Rush Limbaugh).


The only local Republicans I have met who actually SUPPORT John McCain are essentially the really OLD folks who were (strangely enough) in the MINORITY back in 2000 in supporting McCain against the BUSHCO machine. Within a few years they will be either inactive, or quite frankly, dead.


Currently the rest of the party feels like they are having McCain "shoved" down their throats by the MEDIA and subsequently a few people in positions of power (who themselves do not LIKE McCain but feel they HAVE TO push for members to support "whoever" the primaries "choose") -- and the REASON they are pushing that is because otherwise -- like you, they will NOT vote for the Republican candidate. (And as a minority party losing ground every day, they need EVERY VOTE).

We CAN take over the Republican Party... but only if we stay ACTIVE ALL ALONG THE WAY to the next election.

You can't play "groundhog" and just stick your head up once every four (or worse eight) years and expect to make any solid difference. (That is one of the MAIN problems with all 3rd parties -- since they have few or no elected officials, they "disappear" between election cycles, lose every inch of ground they gained, and have to work hard to reclaim it again.)
 
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