Decent idea from the OP but I think the more revolutionary and helpful thing to this nation would be to do away with this disgusting two party system. It polarizes politics and creates a competetive environment where party lines are more important than liberty, freedom, and whats good for America. Democrats and Republicans are just that, not Americans, and that is what we really need. I sincerely believe that Ron should run 3rd party or AT LEAST keep the threat available. The benefits of this is that Ron poses a severe threat to the Republican's chances this coming November, so in order to prevent him from defecting to a third party they may just offer him a really important position at the RNC. Just speculation but it will definitely be interesting to see how this pans out.
IMPORTANT! Why Ron Paul Must NEVER Run as an Independent.
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pcosmar
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We don't have 20 or 30 years to get it right.
We don't have 10 years.
If we don't turn it around in the next 2 years, the game is OVER.
Ron Paul is the only hope of doing this peacefully.
I am working to that end.
I am preparing for otherwise.
The GOP is the problem, not the answer.
We don't have 10 years.
If we don't turn it around in the next 2 years, the game is OVER.
Ron Paul is the only hope of doing this peacefully.
I am working to that end.
I am preparing for otherwise.
The GOP is the problem, not the answer.
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WHAT?! You mean the Party of massive military spending, suspension of civil liberties, legislating vice, and absolute corporatism? Are you smoking mad?
I'd prefer my tax money going to educating a few folks over allowing the Constitution to be torn to shreds by an out of control zeitgeist controlling fascist party. Sorry.
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Taking back the Republican Party is the only real option.
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I urge everyone here to watch this video, An Idea Whose Time Has Come, especially any of you who may disagree with the OP. This is absolutely crucial and is why I'm organizing people to get involved as Precinct Committeemen within the GOP.
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The GOP Trolls and Hacks are getting desperate, people! You know what this means. They see the writing on the wall.
Soon Ron will launch his independent run and change the country forever!!
Soon Ron will launch his independent run and change the country forever!!
I want am a backer of reforming the Republican party. I think that is the best idea, but I'll go with what the majority here seems to want.
You know, had the Republican Party simply tried to make it so that Ron Paul was treated as fairly as Giuliani, Romney, and McCain, I MIGHT have voted for the candidate they picked. I would have done this out of a sense of fair play, since we legitimately lost the election.
If Ron Paul does not get the nomination this go-around, I will be punishing the Republican Party because of how unfairly we are a group were treated. I feel like my vote was basically spit on, why should I offer it up to the very group that spit on my vote?
They need to be punished, but just so that they understand that next election that we can and will steal the vote from them again if they treat us unfairly.
Some people say it is like being a spoiled brat to note vote for the candidate the party picks, and that the world isn't fair. "Sure, Ron Paul should have gotten more time, but the world isn't fair."
Then when they say that I tell them that its going to be really unfair when all the Ron Paul supporters yank the election out from under the party and give it to the Democrats.
You know, had the Republican Party simply tried to make it so that Ron Paul was treated as fairly as Giuliani, Romney, and McCain, I MIGHT have voted for the candidate they picked. I would have done this out of a sense of fair play, since we legitimately lost the election.
If Ron Paul does not get the nomination this go-around, I will be punishing the Republican Party because of how unfairly we are a group were treated. I feel like my vote was basically spit on, why should I offer it up to the very group that spit on my vote?
They need to be punished, but just so that they understand that next election that we can and will steal the vote from them again if they treat us unfairly.
Some people say it is like being a spoiled brat to note vote for the candidate the party picks, and that the world isn't fair. "Sure, Ron Paul should have gotten more time, but the world isn't fair."
Then when they say that I tell them that its going to be really unfair when all the Ron Paul supporters yank the election out from under the party and give it to the Democrats.
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the revolution will NOT happen in a year. whether he gets elected this year or not.
when RP gets elected, you think all of a sudden that the house and senate are going to agree with him on everything? of course not!!
ESPECIALLY if we run as independent. running independent in the general election, whether or not we win, WILL only hurt and slow down this revolution.
when RP gets elected, you think all of a sudden that the house and senate are going to agree with him on everything? of course not!!
ESPECIALLY if we run as independent. running independent in the general election, whether or not we win, WILL only hurt and slow down this revolution.
I can understand where you're coming from, but believe me: I am no GOP loyalist. I'm just being realistic.
Consider this: The GOP is made up mostly of old people, and people with outdated views. They're folks who support ideas like constitutional amendments to ban flag burning and gay marriage, and who think these ideas are the most pressing of the day. They're the kind of people who think that Barack Obama's candidacy is the worst thing to ever happen this country because of the color of his skin.
Young and well informed people don't ascribe to these kinds of ideas. And it's only a matter of time before those who do think this way all die of old age. I know that sounds insensitive, but it's true.
In other words: if the GOP is forced to rely on its current base of support, its demise is inevitable! The party will NEED to find a new base as its current base dies off.
We can be that new base, or we can sit around lamenting the two-party system while the Democrats turn the USA into the Soviet Union. The decision is ours.
You're an "R".
Thanks for your honesty. I know you "R" not alone and most of the other "R"'s feel like you do.
All for "R" and "R"s for "R"s- the three musket-"R"-s cheer.
Voting for Bush worked for you, did it?
Thanks for your honesty. I know you "R" not alone and most of the other "R"'s feel like you do.
All for "R" and "R"s for "R"s- the three musket-"R"-s cheer.
Voting for Bush worked for you, did it?
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As long as it takes. Unfortunately this is not a war that can won overnight. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can all come up with practical ideas for our movement.
What is with all of this Republican loyalty? The Republican Party is dead. Their "conservative" base is really "neoconservative."
I say put equal effort into reforming that party and possibly creating new ones. If Ross Perot could get 20% of the national vote after dropping out of the race, it is definitely possible.
And this argument that him being "independent" will make him less viable in office is absurd. He is practically a libertarian in the Republican party anyway. The GOP will be against him regardless of how he runs.
Now, I say put all of your focus into the primaries because that's what we're working on for now. But to say that you'll basically give up if Ron decides to stay in the race longer, then you really shouldn't be here anyway.
For the guy who said... I am an "R" and will only vote for an "R"... that's the reason why we are so screwed right now. Both the Dems and the Repubs are terrible parties. The more you believe the BS about "oh no must vote Republican to save from Clinton" the worse it will get.
WAKE UP. Both parties are basically the same! Try to reform one of them, but if it doesn't work, don't just fall back in line!!!
I say put equal effort into reforming that party and possibly creating new ones. If Ross Perot could get 20% of the national vote after dropping out of the race, it is definitely possible.
And this argument that him being "independent" will make him less viable in office is absurd. He is practically a libertarian in the Republican party anyway. The GOP will be against him regardless of how he runs.
Now, I say put all of your focus into the primaries because that's what we're working on for now. But to say that you'll basically give up if Ron decides to stay in the race longer, then you really shouldn't be here anyway.
For the guy who said... I am an "R" and will only vote for an "R"... that's the reason why we are so screwed right now. Both the Dems and the Repubs are terrible parties. The more you believe the BS about "oh no must vote Republican to save from Clinton" the worse it will get.
WAKE UP. Both parties are basically the same! Try to reform one of them, but if it doesn't work, don't just fall back in line!!!
Then YOU are the problem. If you head is that far up your ass I don't understand how you got to be a RP supporter.
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Ok this flame bating is not going to get us anywhere.
After the election, regardless of an independent run, Ron Paul will still be a Republican. I doubt most of us are "loyal" to the party. This is about taking over the party, not about joining up and getting cozy with the status quo of the party.
After the election, regardless of an independent run, Ron Paul will still be a Republican. I doubt most of us are "loyal" to the party. This is about taking over the party, not about joining up and getting cozy with the status quo of the party.
To keep the GOP worried. I say we threaten to vote 3rd party and the GOP will loose for sure as they are certain to do so without Ron Paul supporters.Without us the Democrats will win hands down.
You are correct, sir.
I think people's reluctance to be associated with the GOP stems from a collectivist mindset that dictates that all members of the GOP are the same. We're not collectivists, folks! We think for ourselves, and we must understand that the D and the R are just labels, and they don't dictate our opinions.
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Absolutely. And hell, if you want, organize a parallel infiltration into the Democrat party as well. Why the hell not? I mean - today you vote for R or D and it makes no difference - big gov't wins. Why not take over both parties and give people no choice in the opposite direction - R or D = small gov't.
