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My mother died this morning, after a number of serious illnesses.

Almost immediately after hearing the news, that loathsome earwig of a song, "Imagine" by John Lennon, came up on the radio.

In my melancholy state, it occurred to me, that, while I have always disliked that song and it's lyrics, it hit home that we have, in fact, created that world that Lennon was writing about.

Imagine all the people
Living for today


Can't argue that is exactly what people do now. The future be damned, me me me, now now now.

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too


Outside of those nations and people that have not lost their soul or will to live, that's also what we have now.

And if there is nothing to kill or die for, then there is no absolute truth, there is no virtue, there is no glory, there is no desire to create and live better.

Just subjection to tyranny, forever.

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace


At the barrel of a government gun.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can


"You'll own nothing, and be happy."

Sound familiar?

Where is the pride in creating something that is yours? Where is the sense of accomplishment that you have saved and scrimped to own something nice that belongs to you alone? Where is the sense of relief when you finally have paid the last payment and that home is yours?

That's the plan for the future.

"Atomized Man".

Grabastic sacks of protoplasmic shit, mindlessly lurching through a meaningless life of consumption until dead.

But the opening lines hit me the hardest.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky


No judgement.

No future.

No hope of conciousness and awareness and salvation.

Nothing beyond your life of consumption and then a hideous afterlife of living in a computer chip.

I sat with my mother last night and prayed over her while she was still slightly aware.

Yes, I'm a hypocrite, and a vile sinner.

I am also an asshole, neither my mother or my long dead father cared very much for me.

But I did that for her, her grip relaxed and breathing eased as I read the 23rd Psalm to her, and I asked the power of Christ to flow into her, to help ease her suffering and pain and fear.

And it did her good.

So, imagine there's no heaven...I have.

And the people who have imagined that world, which is now all around me, these people that shout "peace!" "peace!" at me day and night as if they were AntiChrist incarnate, when all they really mean is subjugation and submission by force to their will, have done nothing to create anything better.

All they have done is create hell on earth.

And that is precisely what that is called, hell, if you were to take away that hope, that promise of life eternal and heavenly grace and the salvation of almighty God himself, that can uplift entire peoples to do great things or give hope and comfort to a lonely man and his dying mother in some obscure hospital room.

An angry, shitty epitaph, I know...I'll do better in public.

But they are my true thoughts.

Rest in peace, mom.
 
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I'm sorry for all that you're going through, man. I really am, not just saying that.

When I first saw that title for this thread, I thought about how John Lennon ruined that word for me like the LGBTQHB community ruined all classic poetry with the word gay in it.

I used to play the guitar a lot and a lot of people wanted me to play imagine. I was reworking the lyrics to ironically sing about Stalin and Moa being visionaries. But I have come to hate that song so much that even I can't satirically approach it. Funny thing, I used to like it a lot when I was in my early 20s before I understood the world. The lyrics are better than any temptation that the devil can put forward. Like most temptations, it's so uplifting that the idealistic overlooks the consequences.
 
I'm sorry for all that you're going through, man. I really am, not just saying that.

When I first saw that title for this thread, I thought about how John Lennon ruined that word for me like the LGBTQHB community ruined all classic poetry with the word gay in it.

I used to play the guitar a lot and a lot of people wanted me to play imagine. I was reworking the lyrics to ironically sing about Stalin and Moa being visionaries. But I have come to hate that song so much that even I can't satirically approach it. Funny thing, I used to like it a lot when I was in my early 20s before I understood the world. The lyrics are better than any temptation that the devil can put forward. Like most temptations, it's so uplifting that the idealistic overlooks the consequences.

Exactly.
 
Very sorry for your loss. May she rest in peace.

John Lennon was the typical communist elitist. Talks about people giving up their property, but fled high taxes in the UK to move to the US along with many British entertainers. It's always "communism for you, not for me" with these types.
 
Very sorry for your loss. May she rest in peace.

John Lennon was the typical communist elitist. Talks about people giving up their property, but fled high taxes in the UK to move to the US along with many British entertainers. It's always "communism for you, not for me" with these types.

Thanks, it's appreciated.

The property idea is bad enough, but when you murder faith and hope, well, that's just pure evil.
 
Heavenly Father,
bless anti-federalists with peace as he deals with his grief and comfort him in this time of loss let him only remember the good memories
 
Never cared for "imagine", but I found I could relate to "watching the wheels" after having my children and turning 40 - perspective... I too have had songs come to mind that have marked the passing of family members.

Its good that you were there to offer comfort and prayer. I am honestly surprised at how many people cower from such situations, especially when it requires forgiveness for a lifetime of grievances.

Sincere condolences my friend, and God bless both of your souls.
 
Never cared for "imagine", but I found I could relate to "watching the wheels" after having my children and turning 40 - perspective... I too have had songs come to mind that have marked the passing of family members.

Its good that you were there to offer comfort and prayer. I am honestly surprised at how many people cower from such situations, especially when it requires forgiveness for a lifetime of grievances.

Sincere condolences my friend, and God bless both of your souls.

Thank you brother, much appreciated.
 
Wow, sorry to hear that, AF. RIP.

As far as the religion thing, my mother went through something similar. She’s the only person in this world I could never figure out, but something changed her atheist (or agnostic?) beliefs in the last year of her life. She had started to get dementia, but embraced some bible verses I gave her. I was almost stunned to see that. She abruptly lost her life totally unrelated to her failing mental health, but I was happy to see her views on God and Jesus change.

As far as John Lennon—yeah, that song Imagine sucks. It is odd though, because I like some songs with libtard themes. I look at words & such like this:

1. What does it say?
2. What does it mean?
3. What does it mean to me?

Neil Young’s Rockin’ in the Free World is a hopeless mantra from a diehard Bolshevik, so all I can do is filter the lyrics my own way (see # 3 above). So yeah, Canadian boy Neil, We [actually do] have a thousand points of light For the homeless man because charitable giving stats show that Americans are the most consistent charitable givers in the world.

Ronnie Van Zant wrote that we should throw every Saturday Night Special to the bottom of the sea, but only said that after being shot himself. Several Skynyrd band members were also armed looking for some scoundrel in a Jacksonville bar, so that also makes me wonder about their real views. Either way, I can’t cast out their whole body of work based on one song. Besides, Two feets they come a creepin’ Like a black cat do are awesome lyrics!

The beat of the two aforementioned songs can’t be beat, but I can’t say that for Imagine. The lyrics and the music are horrible, but I can still take something away from it. Imagine says there’s No need for greed. I think everyone agrees on that, but the route to get there varies. The Bolshevik will tell you to change the world structure to eliminate greed, but the religious man will tell you the way to eliminate greed is to change your heart. I think it’s easy to see the flaw in the Bolshevik approach. The perfection of changing one’s heart is the only thing that works.

Okay, I am rambling now, so time for some music!


For $20 I can by myself one, too? I'll take 5 of 'em!

 
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I was just thinking about Imagine versus Let it Be because it seems an inviting comparison. So I looked it up an found an intriguing article.

McCartney's mother died of cancer in 1956. Paul was 14 years old. Here is an interesting passage from an article about the song:

Is this song about the Virgin Mary? McCartney typically answers the question by assuring his fans that they can interpret the song however they would like. However, he is always careful to say that the literal genesis of the song was a particular event: During the final days of the Beatles, their business was in chaos caused by a bitter management dispute, and the four guys who had been close friends for years were coming unglued. One night, Paul’s mother Mary, who had passed away, appeared to him in a dream and comforted him, telling him to let go. That’s all.


The article's author goes on to say:

Now, be honest. Do you believe the song Let it Be is not manifestly about the Virgin Mary? The words tell us about the hour of darkness, a broken hearted world, an eternal light, and an eternal life giving wisdom. There is universality in McCartney’s longing for the answer to suffering. The Blessed Mother knows this more than anyone does.

Yes, the song is absolutely about the Virgin Mary.


There are some other interesting insights in this article: http://catholicstand.com/a-lesson-on-text-criticism-and-the-beatles-let-it-be/
 
My condolences my friend…. Lost my mother in October. She was 98. Miss her but have great memories as am sure you will have :)
 
Wow, sorry to hear that, AF. RIP.

Ronnie Van Zant wrote that we should throw every Saturday Night Special to the bottom of the sea, but only said that after being shot himself. Several Skynyrd band members were also armed looking for some scoundrel in a Jacksonville bar, so that also makes me wonder about their real views. Either way, I can’t cast out their whole body of work based on one song. Besides, Two feets they come a creepin’ Like a black cat do are awesome lyrics!

Thanks.

Yeah I often wondered about that dichotomy myself.

Van Zandt writes SNS and then, two years later, writes this:



Yeah, I know "conventional wisdom" claims they were talking about record sales "bullet points" but I don't believe that shit for a second.
 
Sorry for your loss brother. :(

I think I remember reading that Lennon later came to the conclusion that his younger ideas were stupid.
 
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