I'm a Romney Supporter and I Have a Message for All of You

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Some businessman.

 

[georgiaboy]

Welcome, Dan! I'm a Ron Paul Supporter and I have a Message for You!

Being a Romney supporter, I'm sure many of the ideas Ron Paul espouses are new to you.

Heck, they were new to me when Ron first got my attention during the first televised debate.

I highly recommend you spend time here reading and learning in the different subforums, asking questions, etc. To know where most of us are coming from, I highly recommend you search for discussions on the basics of the constitution. There's a great video series by Michael Bednarik (sp?) that gave me an awesome and surprisingly eye-opening education on just how our government and society is supposed to operate under the constitution.

Here's the bottom line for me. We conservatives need the Romneys of the world to start moving in Ron Paul's direction, not the other way around. I take it by your being here that you may agree with that statement.

That said, in order for Romney to appeal to me, he has a lot of re-thinking, retracting, and re-positioning to do on the important conservative issues of the day:

1. Constitutionally limited federal government, which is the foundation of everything else
2. Radical reduction in the size and regulatory scope of the federal government (think health care, education, welfare, social security, tax code, ...)
3. Sound money
4. Non-interventionist foreign policy, end the empire and nation-building
5. Zero further bailouts

He also has to followup these philosophical and positional stances with actions that reflect these changed positions.

For example, telling me he'll partner with private healthcare as his "conservative" approach to contrast "socialized medicine" just won't cut it with me any more. It's just a different shading of the same position -- getting the government involved where it doesn't belong.

 

[Aratus]

admittedly mitt romney himself has moved away from a wonderously centrist stance as our governor into
a more traditional conservatism as a national candidate. eventually he might be a robert taft republican!!!

 

[Dan Chisholm]

Not related, but in Nevada, when the McCain people were trying to steal the state convention vote, some of the Romney supporters sided with the Paul delegates.

I am happy you brought that up. Most Romney supporters I know are on much friendlier terms with Paul than they are with McCain. McCain is one of the most unclassy politicians I've ever witnessed. He treated Romney and Paul very badly, and I couldn't vote for McCain in November, so I voted for Bob Barr so my protest vote would be counted.

Sorry but that is not what he did.
Hostile takeover, Close business, fire employees
Liquidate assets , collect profit.
Produce nothing.

I feel like you are just stereotyping because I've done piles of research on what Mitt did while he ran Bain, and he is responsible for more job creation than almost any other business person that I can think of. Every Staples job in the country wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Mitt. On top of that, Mitt's stance on the auto industry may strike some as unfriendly, but a little tough love is what they needed at the time and would have helped the auto industry in the long run as well as saved us taxpayers billions of dollars.

You guys are too nice to this guy. Rombots are trying the same strategy before except this time they're being sore losers.

If you are talking about the NPR poll again, I do not have any knowledge whatsoever of Romney supporters voting for Huntsman, but obviously I don't know every single Romney supporter. It wasn't any of us at planetromney, committedtoromney, or any of the facebook groups as far as I know. We don't like Huntsman a whole lot because he's no Mitt first of all, and because he might take some of the Mormon vote from Mitt if they both run in the primaries.

We are capable of being team players, Mr. Chisolm. We just don't do it unless we believe in the team. And many of us agree that what we saw from Dubya for eight years isn't worth fighting for. Now, can Romney convince us that he will do better?

If you compare the lives of GWB and Mitt, they start off similarly, but they go off on different tracks after that. They were both at Harvard at similar times, but Mitt earned his way in while GWB got in because of his father. Mitt worked hard, didn't drink and party, and graduated valedictorian while GWB barely graduated. Mitt had to prove himself for a few years in order to get people to believe in him so they would invest in the company he wanted to start, and Mitt, who started his companies with so little, became what some have called "the best businessman in North America".

Mitt is a CFR member.

You might be right, but I was having this discussion at Committedtoromney with some Ron Paul supporters and asked them how they knew Mitt was for sure because I didn't know for sure. They just posted a link to the CFR website of a profile of Mitt on the site and said that was proof, so I looked at the site and Ron Paul has a profile on the site as well, and I'm pretty sure Ron Paul isn't a member. Is there a news article somewhere or something that indicates that Mitt actually is a CFR member?

i also think he needs to address the fact that him and all the other candidates banded together in Louisiana and put some crazy "family values org" or something like that on the ballots because they all knew they couldnt beat paul alone. fact is, they CHEATED.

That was really weird. I remember being excited to see what was going to happen there, and I couldn't understand what had happened. I think Romney and Paul were the only candidates that spent any money there and I was looking forward to see if Mitt could pick up some delegates there. I agree that it was bizarre, and I'd love to know some insider info because I heard the RNC were to blame for that.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

And I have a message for you:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...-on-the-issue-of-deregulation-2009-04-01.html

ROMNEY FAILS

 

[Bryan]

They just posted a link to the CFR website of a profile of Mitt on the site and said that was proof, so I looked at the site and Ron Paul has a profile on the site as well, and I'm pretty sure Ron Paul isn't a member. Is there a news article somewhere or something that indicates that Mitt actually is a CFR member?

Dr. Paul is not a member-

Ron Paul answers question if he is a member of the CFR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_AML16tC8

 

[DAFTEK]

^ Thanks Bryan Why is it that i can never get tired of listening to Dr. Paul speak?

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Until Mittens learns that there are more important issues than crying about the Islamic Boogieman, his campaign is a lost cause and a waste of valuable resources.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Thanks for being friendly. As for Mitt, I find him to be a typical politician, and only a fiscal conservative and not a particularly strong one even there. I also dont see him standing up for civil liberties, or ending the police state. I dont see him ending the patriot act, warrantless wiretapping, or any of another thousand crappy government surveillance programs. No thanks.

 

[Buffalo Bruce]

Mitt's friends include-

Goldman Sachs $234,275
Citigroup Inc $178,200
Merrill Lynch $173,025
Morgan Stanley $170,350
Lehman Brothers $152,000
UBS AG $123,350
Bain Capital $123,150
Bain & Co $121,475
Marriott International $121,150
Kirkland & Ellis $109,400
Compuware Corp $103,550
Credit Suisse Group $102,600
Huron Consulting Group $102,050
The Villages $102,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250
Affiliated Managers Group $82,112
JPMorgan Chase & Co $79,700
Cerberus Capital Management $78,950
American Financial Group $78,350
HIG Capital $71,675

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000286

 

[rich34]

Mitt's friends include-

Goldman Sachs $234,275
Citigroup Inc $178,200
Merrill Lynch $173,025
Morgan Stanley $170,350
Lehman Brothers $152,000
UBS AG $123,350
Bain Capital $123,150
Bain & Co $121,475
Marriott International $121,150
Kirkland & Ellis $109,400
Compuware Corp $103,550
Credit Suisse Group $102,600
Huron Consulting Group $102,050
The Villages $102,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250
Affiliated Managers Group $82,112
JPMorgan Chase & Co $79,700
Cerberus Capital Management $78,950
American Financial Group $78,350
HIG Capital $71,675

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000286

Wow, speaks for itself. I appreciate the original posters sincere comments and welcome you here, but imo Mitt Romney is just another tool for the elite and with those donations above it would be hard to argue that he isn't. In contrast go look and see where Ron Paul's money came from.

 

[Dan Chisholm]

And I have a message for you:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...-on-the-issue-of-deregulation-2009-04-01.html

ROMNEY FAILS

Did you read the actual article or just the title? If you read the entire article and understand the issues Romney brings up, I'd like to know what Romney Failed at.

 

[trey4sports]

Did you read the actual article or just the title? If you read the entire article and understand the issues Romney brings up, I'd like to know what Romney Failed at.

i read the article and the whole thing fails,

pro TARP
no fundamental criticism of the GOP
nothing about eliminating programs
vague BS about "modernizing regulations"


he is a tool for elitism and the status quo

 

[Dan Chisholm]

Thank you for reading the whole thing. I thought it might be a situation similar to when Mitt wrote the New York Times piece about allowing the auto companies to go bankrupt and so many people only read the title and didn't understand that it was actually advice on how to make the Big Three competitive again.

Those are valid points of disagreement except for complaining about what Mitt omitted. Mitt can't tackle every topic with every article that someone else writes about him. Think about the standard you are holding him to. No one can completely control what others write about them...

 

[Kludge]

Mitt can't tackle every topic with every article that someone else writes about him. Think about the standard you are holding him to. No one can completely control what others write about them...

There's a something you'd think we would have learned

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

 

[constituent]

I have been coming to this site on and off with different login names for a couple years now.

Hahahaha, name names.

 

[angelatc]

Wow, speaks for itself. I appreciate the original posters sincere comments and welcome you here, but imo Mitt Romney is just another tool for the elite and with those donations above it would be hard to argue that he isn't. In contrast go look and see where Ron Paul's money came from.

You'd think that with friends like that he would have seen some economic troubles on the horizon.

I'd love to know what he meant the other day when he spurted something about us needing immigration reform, since he tried to use that against McCain during the primaries.

He is firmly on several sides of every issue.

 

[trey4sports]

Thank you for reading the whole thing. I thought it might be a situation similar to when Mitt wrote the New York Times piece about allowing the auto companies to go bankrupt and so many people only read the title and didn't understand that it was actually advice on how to make the Big Three competitive again.

Those are valid points of disagreement except for complaining about what Mitt omitted. Mitt can't tackle every topic with every article that someone else writes about him. Think about the standard you are holding him to. No one can completely control what others write about them...

i agree, however the whole article seems vague. he must change his whole demeaner and platform for me (while i cant speak for everyone, i will) and the Ron Paul revolution to support him. He must talk about abolishing the FED, ending the war, and be sincere. we have no tolerance for anything but absolute truth and sincerity, we sniff out bullshit terms like "modernizing regulation" regulation is regulation is regulation, we dont regulation, modern or primitive, its all bullshit

 

[RP4EVER]

Romneys a party hack...................he'll never talk of abolishing the Fed....unless the grassroots takes back the party......then we'll hear it ad nauseam

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You must understand many of us here are not willing to compromise on the concept of freedom and liberty. This is why you will find so many vehemently against the rank-n-file, neo party establishment.

I personally don't believe Romney is even sufficient....but this is not a knock to your man. The greater question is, "Why nominate Romney when Paul is much more of a staunch conservative?" Ron has Mitt beat in every area in conservatism, so why should "conservatives" compromise with a lesser man in Mitt? It is not like they are equals and we are trying to choose based on personality and electability. Ron is arguably the best definition of Conservatism.