I'm a Romney Supporter and I Have a Message for All of You

very nice post Dan. it really goes a long way when people can talk in such a civil manner. I can fully understand why Romney would have been better than Ron Paul as a president based on executive skills and charisma. It is too bad Romney decided to play the game as politician and not as a statesman. Romney has flip flopped too many times. On the other hand Ron Paul has the right ideas and principles, which is more important. I"m sick of voting for someone. I want to vote for ideas!! The guy who implements the idea is less important.
 
Thanks for the willingness to work together on other candidacies (such as Rand's).

And if you (and others here) weren't aware, we appreciate the Romney staffers giving their CPAC booth to the Paul volunteers for the duration of the conference after Romney conceeded.

Thanks for posting. Whenever we go most sites with an olive branch, redstate, among others, we get banned. So much for the big tent party. Nobody wants to debate. Ron Paul and his supporters are just crazy. That being said, I would love to work with you guys on getting bills pushed through and supporting Constitutional government.

First of all, I want to thank ALL OF YOU for being much more cordial to me than I expected. I was worried that I would be banned and the topic deleted before many of you get to read my message. Also, to my knowledge, we haven't banned any Ron Paul people from any of our Mitt sites since the election and I'm working to ensure that we can continue to be in contact with each other. There are plenty of candidates that we both will want to win in 2010, and I hope we can work together at least on electing those candidates and to moving the Republican Party back towards true conservatism.

Great to see you Dan. I would have MUCH rather had Romney than McLame. What I want to know, since Romney is such a great business man, what his stance is on the Federal Reserve? I never heard him talk about the Fed. I consider the Fed and central bank system to be the root of all evil.

I don't honestly know. I do know that the only times I hear Mitt talk about it, he's complaining, but I haven't heard him say he wants it abolished.

How does Romney qualify as a conservative in any way?

He wants smaller government and lower taxes. That's 1/3 of his entire platform.

Im sure you all use cellphones. Howmany times did you hear your friends mom speaking when it wasnt even on speaker?
How many times where you in school and could hear some girls ipod all the way accross the hallway?
howcome their ears dont blow up

Earpieces are different than cell phones...

What Mitt needs to do to to have respect:

1. Apologise openly to Ron Paul in at least 5 television interviews
2. Renounce the Iraq war
3. Admit Ron Paul is a more principled conservative than him
4. He needs to start talking about how the Federal Reserve caused the crisis
5. He needs to say something like "The Mises/Hayek business cycle is absolutely correct"
6. He needs to support Ron Paul on auditing the fed and phasing it out
7. He needs to support Ron Paul on alternative currencies and repealing legal tender laws
8. He needs to renounce the Trotskyite, Straussian Neocons that he is in bed with. (Communists should not be allowed in the Republican Pary).

If he does all that then he's good to go.

By good-to-go, does that mean you would all campaign for him and vote for him? I agree that Mitt should apologize to Ron Paul, but I'm not sure how he can do it without it looking like pandering. Hopefully, the Iraq War will be over before the next presidential election starts so we don't have to talk about it anymore. Mitt has talked a little about how the Fed's policies especially under Greenspan contributed to this crises. I don't know anything about the Mises/Hayek business cycle. Could someone post some links about that? Also, I would like to know more about repealing legal tender laws. Finally, I think we should all renounce the Trotskyite, Straussian Neocons that are in the Republican Party, but we have to be absolutely sure they are and we should also give them a chance to become true conservatives first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eKIm6zrhp0 is the first video I ever saw about Mitt in case anyone cares.
 
Dan Chisholm, ...thy message took true grit.
...its up there with Gentleman Mitt cutting
himself a 42 million dollar check so he could
run in 2012 against the likes of Mike Huckabee,
Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin! when i am not
boosting Rand or Ron Paul, i do like divine Sarah!
 
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Mitt Romney should just stick to organizing Olympic events as he did for the Salt Lake Olympics or becoming a chairman of the United States Olympic Committee. Respecting the Constitution and Bill of Rights is not one of Mitt's niche's.
 
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Finally, I think we should all renounce the Trotskyite, Straussian Neocons that are in the Republican Party, but we have to be absolutely sure they are and we should also give them a chance to become true conservatives first.

Tricky business, isn't it? On the one hand, we have no idea how many Republicans in positions of power are true conservatives at heart, but have played the money game because, honestly, until now the only way to get elected is to get name recognition and money buys that. So, there may be many good people already in Washington that just haven't been able to be all good for fear they couldn't get reelected and therefore would have to stop doing any good at all. On the other hand, we all saw how Newt, DeLay and their cronies hijacked the New Christian Right movement and used it to gain power and wealth. So, who to trust?

I say we watch their voting records between now and 2010. By their deeds shall we judge them. What else is there? It's unfortunate that Romney isn't in a position to build up a voting record right now. And I sure have a tough time trusting any son of wealth in this era of nepotism and class stratification...
 
i have a four-way ARATUS poll. methinks in a way, this is part of the reason why!
i know how folks here feel about Rand Paul and Ron Paul. my poll was 4-way...
Mitt Romney, when he over-spent, he cuts the check and goes into the black.
from what i could see, the NPR internet related poll is a bellwhether and here
we are debating how the next SUPER-TUESDAY could go as our economy tries
to a fathom out a market bottom. The folks in FARGO showed us some true grit.
 
"There is no such thing as sheeple. There is only Yamamoto's sleeping giant, waiting to be filled with a terrible resolve. "

LOL!
 
Mitt Romney, when he over-spent, he cuts the check and goes into the black.

Yeah, that doesn't help me trust the Romney clan either. Mitt's daddy got rich off of American Motors even as it was sliding into bankruptcy. Sound familiar?

dude, what's funny about it? The sleeping giant is waking up and getting pissed even as we speak...
 
Banning and arresting people based on what they say is a function of the liberals and the neocons. By the way, didn't your buddy Mitt have a neocon criminal as a "bodyguard" that served to expel and muscle those with whom disagreed with Mitt? That speaks volumes about your hero.

Speaking of hero Mitt, the neocon in Mormon's clothing is a nut that doesn't fall far from his family tree............

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695208290,00.html



Romney ancestor fled Army, joined LDS Church
By Lee Davidson
Deseret Morning News
Published: Saturday, Sept. 8, 2007 12:22 a.m. MDT
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It may not be what a presidential candidate would want historians discussing, as they did Friday. But exactly 150 years ago, an ancestor of Mitt Romney deserted from U.S. Army troops sent to put down a purported Mormon rebellion in Utah.

Carl Heinrich (Charles Henry) Wilcken, Romney's great-great-grandfather, would give Mormons information about approaching troops, eventually joined the LDS Church and ultimately became a bodyguard and confidant of two church presidents.

The middle name of Romney's father, former Michigan Gov. George W. Romney (also once a presidential candidate), is Wilcken, after that soldier-ancestor.

The little-known soldier in the little-known "Utah War" was a topic Friday at the annual Utah State History Conference. Several seminars focused on the 150th anniversary of that "war," in which President James Buchanan sent troops against Mormons in 1857-58 after ex-officials convinced him that Mormons would not submit to federal law.

Mormons saw that as a renewal of persecution and sent militia to face the army in what was essentially a mini-civil war four years before the real thing between North and South. Little shooting occurred, as Buchanan eventually gave amnesty to Mormons as they accepted a non-Mormon governor and a permanent garrison of U.S. troops.
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Amateur historian Steve Richardson presented a paper Friday that discussed Wilcken, who he said had previously been awarded the Iron Cross by the king of Prussia for service in its war against Denmark.

After that war, Denmark attempted to draft former Prussian soldiers living in its acquired regions of Scheswig-Holstein. So Wilcken decided to leave and join friends in Argentina but had only enough money to make it to New York.

Richardson said Wilcken was unable to find work, so he joined the U.S. Army and was sent on the "Utah expedition."

"He was unhappy with the lack of discipline of the soldiers," Richardson said. "He had a low opinion of other soldiers," as they talked about possibly hanging or jailing Mormon leaders and "appropriating" their wives and daughters.

Wilcken saw poor protection by U.S. troops, which allowed Mormon militia to burn forage in front of the approaching army. LDS soldiers also burned many of the federal supply wagons and ran off the army's livestock. Soldiers had little to eat. Their winter camp in Wyoming would be one of the hardest in the history of the U.S. Army.

Wilcken decided to desert and head for Salt Lake City. But, Richardson said, Wilcken reported a spiritual experience that delayed that action for a day and possibly saved him from being jailed or shot.

As he was about to desert, he said he "heard a voice calling his name" — his real name, not the assumed name he used to enlist. Two other times as he was to leave, he heard his name called and stopped. Wilcken later learned that the cavalry had been on patrol all night watching Mormon camps and likely would have caught him.

Richardson said, "That night, he had a dream telling him to ask his captain for permission to go out hunting the next day, and he would meet some friends." He did exactly that, deserted and met Mormons who escorted him back to their lines. That was on Oct. 7, 1857, 150 years ago next month.

Richardson said Wilcken was impressed with Mormons and their lack of the cursing and fighting that he had seen with U.S. troops. Wilcken provided Mormons with information about conditions of the U.S. Army and went to Salt Lake City.

Historian William P. MacKinnon added that Wilcken's U.S. Army captain, John W. Phelps, wrote in his diary about Wilcken's disappearance and "talked about what a fine man he was and how different he was from another man who deserted."

MacKinnon noted that Phelps, who would become a Union general in the Civil War, ran for president in 1880 but received only a few hundred votes. Wilcken's Romney descendants have done better than that in their campaigns for president.

Wilcken was baptized into the LDS Church only two months after he deserted the Army and later had plural wives. In later years, he became a messenger and bodyguard for LDS President John Taylor, who was, at times, in hiding during federal anti-polygamy crusades. He also was a bodyguard for President Wilford Woodruff, who succeeded John Taylor and ultimately led the church away from the practice of polygamy.
 
Yeah, that doesn't help me trust the Romney clan either. Mitt's daddy got rich off of American Motors even as it was sliding into bankruptcy. Sound familiar?

dude, what's funny about it? The sleeping giant is waking up and getting pissed even as we speak...

Just a funny way to state it.
 
Yeah, that doesn't help me trust the Romney clan either. Mitt's daddy got rich off of American Motors even as it was sliding into bankruptcy. Sound familiar?

dude, what's funny about it? The sleeping giant is waking up and getting pissed even as we speak...

I had an idea - why doesn't Mitt move to Michigan and fix the economy using conservative principles? We have everything he should need - cheap resources, land, import / export access.... it is his for the taking.

Originally Posted by Dan Chisholm :
Finally, I think we should all renounce the Trotskyite, Straussian Neocons that are in the Republican Party, but we have to be absolutely sure they are and we should also give them a chance to become true conservatives first.

Based on Mitt's tendency to enthusiastically embrace Clintonesque aggressive foreign policy, I am not convinced that Mitt isn't one of them.

I do believe he had "help" at the debate where the audible whisper cued the right response. I saw it. I saw him respond to it. I resent being called a fool for not believing my own 2 eyes and ears. It happened. He got busted.

I think that America would do best with a weak President right now. Even though the masses would be furious, and such a president would likely only last 1 term, it would give us a chance to breathe and give the economy a chance to get a footing again.

Mitt has no interest in being a weak President. He wants to be the CEO of the country, but that's not how America was designed to run.
 
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gentleman mitt was not a totally lousy governor for my own bay state. he had his moments... i was more inclined to think fond thoughts of sarah palin because alaska is sooooo verrry distant from d.c and yes, i am a 911 truther who said here there were more calls. ask nice monsieur dan chisholm about jane swift and why her term was only nine months as our governor, and this was a tad unfair... she once had a political potential equal to that of hillary clinton... (saw a story today in another thread. mitt thinks its TRES cool that barack fires this GM ceo) happy days are here again... maybe, maybe not!
 
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I had an idea - why doesn't Mitt move to Michigan and fix the economy using conservative principles? We have everything he should need - cheap resources, land, import / export access.... it is his for the taking.

If Mitt can't be president, I would absolutely love to have him as our governor. We need a leader like him here so desperately.

Also, check out http://nyformitt.blogspot.com/2009/03/romney-proven-right.html

There have been articles like that popping all over the internet since yesterday. Romney took a very bold stand and was once again ahead of the curve with what to do with the auto industry. What do you all think about the article Mitt wrote way back when that can be found at http://digg.com/business_finance/Let_Detroit_Go_Bankrupt_Mitt_Romney if any of you missed it back then.
 
If Mitt can't be president, I would absolutely love to have him as our governor. We need a leader like him here so desperately.

Also, check out http://nyformitt.blogspot.com/2009/03/romney-proven-right.html

There have been articles like that popping all over the internet since yesterday. Romney took a very bold stand and was once again ahead of the curve with what to do with the auto industry. What do you all think about the article Mitt wrote way back when that can be found at http://digg.com/business_finance/Let_Detroit_Go_Bankrupt_Mitt_Romney if any of you missed it back then.

Oh Hell No !!
Michigan is in enough trouble.
What, you want him to close the factories and sell the assets. That is what he does. The man made his money as a corporate raider. He put thousands out of work.
Hell No. :mad:
 
Welcome to the forum Dan.

My problem with Mitt is he thinks we should be meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations. We have no business killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq. How is this acceptable to you?

His "double guantanamo" response does not sit well with me either. Locking people up without trial nor evidence for an indefinite period of time is not good. We have tortured people at these bases.

The individuals who fight us are mad that we are occupying their countries, killing friends or family, and building permanent military bases on their soil. They are not "terrorists."

Far from it. If anything, it is the other way around.

You should realize that. I'm sure Mitt does, but rather than speak truth to power he plays the game.
 
If Mitt can't be president, I would absolutely love to have him as our governor. We need a leader like him here so desperately.

Also, check out http://nyformitt.blogspot.com/2009/03/romney-proven-right.html

There have been articles like that popping all over the internet since yesterday. Romney took a very bold stand and was once again ahead of the curve with what to do with the auto industry. What do you all think about the article Mitt wrote way back when that can be found at http://digg.com/business_finance/Let_Detroit_Go_Bankrupt_Mitt_Romney if any of you missed it back then.

Mitt Romney supports big government.

*Romney currently supports the federal government's involvement in education and supports No Child Left Behind. He said that he supports testing in schools and that testing "allows us to get better schools.

"As I've been a governor and seen the impact that the federal government can have holding down the interest of the teachers' unions and instead putting the interests of the kids and the parents and the teachers first, I see that the Department of Education can actually make a difference"

*He would consider cap-and-trade only if part of a larger global plan.

*Romney supports regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, primarily through voluntary measures. He issued a 72-point Climate Protection Plan. His staffers spent more than $500,000 negotiating the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI--pronounced "Reggie"), which Romney praised in November 2005, saying "I'm convinced it is good business." As plan details were being worked out, Romney began pushing for a cap on fees charged to businesses who exceed emission limits, citing concerns of increased consumer energy costs. He stated: "New England has the highest energy rates in the country, and RGGI would cost us more." This ongoing disagreement eventually led Romney, in December, 2005, to pull out of RGGI.

*As governor, Romney signed a 2004 measure instituting a permanent Massachusetts ban on military style assault weapons, to take the place of a Federal ban, which was then about to expire.

*As Governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed legislation that required that nearly all Massachusetts residents obtain health insurance coverage by establishing means-tested state subsidies for people without adequate employer insurance, by directing funds designated to compensate for the health costs of the uninsured, and also specified penalties for those who fail to obtain coverage.[48][49][50] Legislation, effective on July 1, 2007, requires health insurance for all state residents, provided a plan is available to the individual that is deemed affordable according to state standards. Employers with eleven or more employees are mandated to offer approved insurance plans for employees.

*On August 24, 2007, Romney unveiled his national health care plan. His plan allowed the states to choose individual health care plans for their fellow Americans.

*Romney is a strong opponent of medical cannabis under any circumstances.

*Romney believes the government should invest more in technologies that will help the United States

*a comprehensive analysis by the National Taxpayers Union found that Romney's presidential campaign proposals would increase the federal budget by $19.5 billion

*Governor Romney has said that he favors "moderate, predictable changes" in the minimum wage linked to other indicators of growth in the economy

*By the end of Romney's term as governor, declining aid from the state to localities caused property taxes to rise by 5% to their highest level in 25 years.[80] The state and local tax burden in Massachusetts increased from 10 percent to 10.6 percent of per capita income during Romney's governorship, according to analysis by the Tax Foundation.[81] To help get the state out of debt, Romney doubled fees for court filings, professional regulations and firearm licenses, raising $400 million in the first year of the program.[82] Romney also increased the state gasoline fee by 2 cents per gallon, generating about $60 million per year in additional revenue; the fee is in addition to the 21-cent-per-gallon state gas tax.[81] Romney approved $128 million in tax changes such as sales tax from purchases on the Internet[83] and raised another $181 million in additional business taxes in the next two years; businesses called these changes tax increases, but Romney defended them as the elimination of "loopholes."[81][84]

*Supports fiat currency
*Supports central banks
*supports unconstitutional expensive foreign policy

No offense, but he is NOT for small government.
 
I kept links to a couple of primary exit polls. Romney's supporters were more female, richer, more religious, and older than Ron Paul's. Romney's supporters were more likely to support Bush. 74% of Romney supporters gave an unfavorable rating to Ron Paul. Romey supporters thought the economy was better than Paul's supporters and were much more likely to support the Iraq war.

New Hampshire exit poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228191/

Michigan exit poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228184/

Not related, but in Nevada, when the McCain people were trying to steal the state convention vote, some of the Romney supporters sided with the Paul delegates.
 
Great to see you Dan. I would have MUCH rather had Romney than McLame. What I want to know, since Romney is such a great business man, what his stance is on the Federal Reserve? I never heard him talk about the Fed. I consider the Fed and central bank system to be the root of all evil. tones

Agreed. Any candidate at the national level who won't address this issue is virtually worthless.
 
Oh Hell No !!
Michigan is in enough trouble.
What, you want him to close the factories and sell the assets. That is what he does. The man made his money as a corporate raider. He put thousands out of work.
Hell No. :mad:

I'm no Mitt fan, but closing the factories and selling them to someone who can run a competent auto manufacturing business, free from the oppressive burden of the unions, is exactly what we need. Incompetent companies who consume more than they produce should be liquidated.
 
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