Illegal Immigration Poll

[erowe1]

No test would be perfect.

I agree. Having no test would be perfect.

 

[Carole]

Not enough options on the poll. It needs a choice to remove them from all social programs, schools, and unpaid hospital care, and no birthright citizenship. I could vote for that one.

Illegals would then self-deport. Yet the ones who come legally could still get in and abide by our "existing" immigration laws, i.e., learn English and pass the required citizenship tests as required by law.

 

[erowe1]

Not enough options on the poll. It needs a choice to remove them from all social programs, schools, and unpaid hospital care, and no birthright citizenship. I could vote for that one.

Illegals would then self-deport.

I'd support that too. But as long as we're allowed to hire them, they'd continue to come and wouldn't self-deport. The only way to control the population the way the Numbers USA folks want to do is by burdening all of us with totally unethical laws, which is why those folks demand those things and aren't satisfied with solutions that just shrink government.

And really, the last option on the poll includes what you said.

 

[Zippyjuan]

That seems to be the Libertarian position, although it sounds more Liberal to me. Frankly, my feeling is that when one breaks a law, they should be punished, not rewarded.

Then let's expand the police state to round them up and check IDs on everybody to make sure they belong here and if they can't prove the do kick then out. Lost your ID? Win a free trip to Mexico. We could conduct raids on businessess too to see if they are hiring illegal workers. Would that be libertarian?

 

[otherone]

Funny RPF posters are funny. How many of us would love to be "undocumented" Americans? Would you give up your citizenship to live here off the grid?

 

[BAllen]

Eliminate minimum wage, and all welfare food stamp benefits. They would be gone.

 

[jabowery]

Sort proponents of political theories into governments that test them before there is bloodshed between "libertarians".

 

[Ender]

From my POV (Cherokee) everyone here is an illegal immigrant.

Your mob took the land from my mob and now you set arbitrary rules on what is an "illegal immigrant".

All immigrants have been hated by the US ruling mob.

Early in the formation of the country, it was the Jews; mid 1800's it was the Catholics and the Irish; late 1800's it was the Chinese with screams that they were taking jobs from "real" Americans. Now it's the Mexicans and any other brown skins.

Let me tell you, I'd take a Mexican worker any day over most Americans. Why? Because they actually know how to WORK.

THE ANSWER IS:

NO FEDERAL WELFARE; WELCOME EVERYONE.

The economy would flourish and America could actually be what she was meant to be in the first place.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

From my POV (Cherokee) everyone here is an illegal immigrant.

Your mob took the land from my mob and now you set arbitrary rules on what is an "illegal immigrant".

All immigrants have been hated by the US ruling mob.

Early in the formation of the country, it was the Jews; mid 1800's it was the Catholics and the Irish; late 1800's it was the Chinese with screams that they were taking jobs from "real" Americans. Now it's the Mexicans and any other brown skins.

Let me tell you, I'd take a Mexican worker any day over most Americans. Why? Because they actually know how to WORK.

THE ANSWER IS:

NO FEDERAL WELFARE; WELCOME EVERYONE.

The economy would flourish and America could actually be what she was meant to be in the first place.

Unfortunately, whoever is going to run on that platform will never get elected. =|

 

[MelissaWV]

From my POV (Cherokee) everyone here is an illegal immigrant.

Your mob took the land from my mob and now you set arbitrary rules on what is an "illegal immigrant".

All immigrants have been hated by the US ruling mob.

Early in the formation of the country, it was the Jews; mid 1800's it was the Catholics and the Irish; late 1800's it was the Chinese with screams that they were taking jobs from "real" Americans. Now it's the Mexicans and any other brown skins.

Let me tell you, I'd take a Mexican worker any day over most Americans. Why? Because they actually know how to WORK.

THE ANSWER IS:

NO FEDERAL WELFARE; WELCOME EVERYONE.

The economy would flourish and America could actually be what she was meant to be in the first place.

Of course, the peace-loving Natives had been arguing and generally living like civilized folks (complete with mass migrations, conquering other tribes, being at war, opening trade routes, etc.) for quite a long time. Odds are that the land was already "stolen" a dozen times over before the alleged discovery of the New World.

 

[Ender]

Of course, the peace-loving Natives had been arguing and generally living like civilized folks (complete with mass migrations, conquering other tribes, being at war, opening trade routes, etc.) for quite a long time. Odds are that the land was already "stolen" a dozen times over before the alleged discovery of the New World.

AHHH...AN EXPERT IN US PUBLIC EDUCATION HISTORY 101.

If you want to know some real Indian history, I will be glad to oblige.

 

[MelissaWV]

AHHH...AN EXPERT IN US PUBLIC EDUCATION HISTORY 101.

If you want to know some real Indian history, I will be glad to oblige.

I was speaking broadly of the entire continent, and not specifically of Cherokee history.

And no, the line in public schools is that all the "Native Americans" (but teacher how were they Native Americans before it was even named America?) were all one big glorious hippy earth-loving group of brown-skinned part-naked people living in teepees and duped by the invading White Man's trinkets and smallpox. Basically, you're all supposed to look like the weeping brave in the litter commercial. Oh and you wear oodles of feathers and your loincloth, but little else, and you have names mostly consisting of a verb and a noun (regardless of how they sound together) and you're totally all in touch with your same group of ancestors and you have glossy black hair that you mostly wear in pigtails. In other words, the standard public school textbook is that there really weren't nations at all. That the natives were one big vague group that was just waiting around playing happily in paradise until the whites came over and introduced violence to them.

Which is kind of weird, because there's not any evidence to support that, but ah well.

If you keep digging (literally) you will find a pleasant variety of artifacts all over the US. A group lived, a group died or moved or was absorbed into a larger group, and another group took over.

 

[DamianTV]

Maybe if we quit rewarding illegal immigration, we would remove the incentive to come here illegally.

 

[BAllen]

Maybe if we quit rewarding illegal immigration, we would remove the incentive to come here illegally.

But then how would the marxists get their support base?

 

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less
by Jeffrey Passel, D’Vera Cohn and Ana Gonzalez-Barrera

The largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States has come to a standstill. After four decades that brought 12 million current immigrants—most of whom came illegally—the net migration flow from Mexico to the United States has stopped and may have reversed, according to a new analysis of government data from both countries by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.

The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico.

It is possible that the Mexican immigration wave will resume as the U.S. economy recovers. Even if it doesn’t, it has already secured a place in the record books. The U.S. today has more immigrants from Mexico alone—12.0 million—than any other country in the world has from all countries of the world.1 Some 30% of all current U.S. immigrants were born in Mexico. The next largest sending country—China (including Hong Kong and Taiwan)—accounts for just 5% of the nation’s current stock of about 40 million immigrants.

More at link.

 

[Orgoonian]

From my POV (Cherokee) everyone here is an illegal immigrant.

Your mob took the land from my mob and now you set arbitrary rules on what is an "illegal immigrant".

White Europeans brought "diversity".
Eventually the "indigenous"were displaced,but who cares right?Diversity trumps all !




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnmBmzoV5hY&list=FLjcDsnVD_CyvZrK-szHqW-A&index=3

 

[Zippyjuan]

"The Time Has Come.
A Fact's A Fact.
It Belongs To Them.
Let's Give It Back."

 

[presence]

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp

We should welcome all who come here, legally or illegally.

..

 

[BAllen]

White Europeans brought "diversity".
Eventually the "indigenous"were displaced,but who cares right?Diversity trumps all !




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnmBmzoV5hY&list=FLjcDsnVD_CyvZrK-szHqW-A&index=3

Whites were the native americans displaced by the indians:

http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news136.htm