Illegal immies want BarryO to halt depos, sayin he is expelling people who would vote democrat

[aGameOfThrones]

Advocates for undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are insisting that President Barack Obama halt most deportations, saying he is expelling people his fellow Democrats would let stay in the country.

The change in tactics comes as some Republicans now support a path to legal status -- not citizenship -- for many of the nation’s 12 million undocumented immigrants, though Republican House Speaker John Boehner isn’t moving to revamp immigration laws this year.

Churches and labor groups, including the AFL-CIO, are using the appearance of common ground to force Obama to change policies that lead to about 1,000 deportations a day, more than under any other president. They say Obama could gain favor with Hispanic voters before the November congressional elections by easing deportations, as he did before his 2012 re-election.

“Some of the organizations that were spending almost all of their time putting pressure on Republicans have now changed their focus to putting pressure on this administration,” Representative Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat who has worked on immigration issues for two decades in Congress, said in an interview. “And these are friends and allies.”

This moves deportations to the center of a debate over whether to provide a path to citizenship for people living in the U.S. illegally, the most contentious part of a bipartisan immigration bill passed by the Senate last year.

Immigration Lobbying

More than 640 groups and companies including Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) lobbied on immigration issues last year, a 79 percent increase from 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, said this month that Obama would increase his leverage with Republicans by halting deportations for all but violent criminals. The labor group, which claims 12.5 million members, spent $31.7 million helping elect mostly Democrats in 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said in December that Obama should reduce deportations.

Senator Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the chamber, wrote in November that he was troubled that the administration deported 200,000 parents of U.S. citizens in 2012 and others who “only committed minor, nonviolent infractions, such as traffic offenses.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...portations-as-bill-talks-fade.html?cmpid=yhoo

 

[rpfocus]

10,000,000+ illegals aren't ever going to be deported. Face it, the invasion started during Reagan's term, and he and every president since has been asleep at the wheel. Obama was the one who actually deported in meaningful numbers, but it's faaar too late. The chickens have come home to roost in the form of "Dreamers."

 

[PRB]

immies? is that a new word?

 

[aGameOfThrones]

immies™? is that a new word?

I put that since Immigrants did not fit. I don't know if it's a new word for illegals, but if it is ™

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

10,000,000+ illegals aren't ever going to be deported. Face it, the invasion started during Reagan's term, and he and every president since has been asleep at the wheel. Obama was the one who actually deported in meaningful numbers, but it's faaar too late. The chickens have come home to roost in the form of "Dreamers."

First off I disagree that they can't be deported. That's just something that the media keeps repeating over and over again and they make it seem like it's 100% impossible and shouldn't ever even be discussed. But anyway we don't even have to deport them. All we really have to do is cut them off financially and most importantly of all, end birthright citizenship.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't believe that Obama has increased deportations.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The latest talking point from the leftists and the Democrats is that we need more immigration in order to save the economy.

 

[roho76]

We don't need to deport them. That's the false narrative as if that's the only way to solve the problem. Cut off the free shit. That's the only real option. At that point, I don't care if they're here.

 

[jbauer]

Whats interesting is Mexico also has an illegal immigration problem. They are flooded with Central Americans looking for work.

Its all been said, cut off the free shit (for everyone), take down the fence. Problem solved

 

[rpfocus]

First off I disagree that they can't be deported. That's just something that the media keeps repeating over and over again and they make it seem like it's 100% impossible and shouldn't ever even be discussed. But anyway we don't even have to deport them. All we really have to do is cut them off financially and most importantly of all, end birthright citizenship.

Agreed, except that I still believe there is no way in hell 10 million illegal immigrants would ever be deported. Yes, it is possible to do it. Would it EVER be done? Not a chance.

 

[Queer_Libertarian_Radical]

Its all been said, cut off the free shit (for everyone), take down the fence. Problem solved

Indeed, we don't need to build a berlin wall around Mexico as the knee jerk neo-cons have been saying. Get rid of the welfare state and the problem is solved. We don't need statist interference in immigration.

 

[rpfocus]

I don't believe that Obama has increased deportations.

Believe whatever you want. I'm guessing you haven't looked into it at all.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Mexico on illegal immigration. Remember that guy who spent 13 months lost at sea?

While Alvarenga is from El Salvador, he began his ill-fated shark fishing trip from Mexico, where he had lived for years.

Manila-based Mexican diplomat Christian Clay Mendez, who jetted in to help handle Alvarenga's repatriation, said he had been in Mexico illegally for 15 years, which is why he would go back to El Salvador.

But he said that if after his return to El Salvador, he "goes through the proper channels, I'm sure that our embassy people in El Salvador would be more than willing to assist in getting him to Mexico legally".

"We'd be willing to look into that," he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/castaway-likely-suffering-post-traumatic-stress-says-doctor-071340720.html

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Report: 125,000 immigrants given deferred action eligible for Medi-Cal

A new report shows that as many as 125,000 young California immigrants may qualify for an expansion of Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program.
The Affordable Care Act bars insurance subsidies and enrollment in the Medicaid expansion for undocumented immigrants, but a wrinkle in California rules does offer coverage for those with "deferred action status."

The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program was created by President Obama in 2012 to grant immigrants who came to the country illegally as children -- sometimes called Dreamers -- legal status and work authorization for two-year periods.

Laurel Lucia, a policy analyst at the UC Berkeley Labor Center and author of the report released Tuesday, said California is one of the few states that lets youth with deferred action status enroll in Medicaid.


“But the word still hasn’t been spread,” she said.

The report found that 154,000 people in California had been granted the status as of December 2013. About 81%, or 125,000, are eligible for Medi-Cal based on their annual income, which has to be less than $15,850 for an individual.

To be eligible for deferred action, immigrants had to arrive in the U.S. before they were 16, be under 31 as of June 2012 and to have continuously lived in the U.S. since 2007.

There’s no data about how many have signed up for Medi-Cal, but the fear of deportation for themselves or family members has probably kept many from enrolling, Lucia said. Federal authorities have said they will not use information provided to determine healthcare eligibility to pursue immigrants in the country illegally.

Diane Vanette, a volunteer with OneLA who screens people at Obamacare enrollment events, recently informed a couple with deferred-action status that they were both eligible for Medi-Cal.

“He was shocked, she was shocked,” Vanette said.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mon...bility-20140224,0,6821572.story#ixzz2uNn8kHha

 

[Zippyjuan]

"Illegal Immies" can't vote anyways. There basically hasn't been any net illegal immigration into the country since 2007.

The estimated number of unauthorized immigrants peaked at 12.2 million in 2007 and fell to 11.3 million in 2009, breaking a rising trend that had held for decades. As of March 2012, 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States, according to a new preliminary Pew Research Center estimate. Although there are indications the number of unauthorized immigrants may be rising, the 2012 population estimate is the midpoint of a wide range of possible values and in a statistical sense is no different from the 2009 estimate.

http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/immigration-tip-sheet-on-u-s-public-opinion/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Believe whatever you want. I'm guessing you haven't looked into it at all.

Government manipulation of statistics is well known. Lies, damn lies, and government statistics. One of the common tricks is to change how things are counted, or what gets counted. And some say that is exactly what happened. Obama has included many people as "deportations" that were never included in the statistic in the past.

Apparently the Obama Administration now counts everyone caught at the border as a deportation, when previously it was not. There have also been other changes and procedural moves to artificially inflate the numbers.

A detailed paper on the subject:

Removal numbers have traditionally consisted of legal immigrants who have committed crimes, those who overstay visas, or illegal aliens caught inside the country.

The immigration statistics yearbook states that removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.
An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.

In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.

According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.

The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
...
Padding the Numbers: The Alien Transfer Exit Program

Since 2011, the Obama administration has counted removals from the Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) as ICE deportations, which artificially inflates ICE removal numbers. According to a source in a Border Patrol field office, “the only reason this group [in the ATEP] program is in detention at all is for the purpose of padding ICE’s year-end removal statistics.”
...
Padding the Numbers: The Mexican Interior Repatriation Program

From 2009 through 2011, the Obama Administration resumed a voluntary humanitarian interior repatriation program called the Mexican Interior Repatriation Program (MIRP). First initiated in 2004, MIRP voluntarily returned Mexican nationals apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol in the Yuma and Tucson sectors.
Since 2008, MIRP statistics have been included in ICE’s overall removal numbers. Without this program, the deportations statistics would be tallied by the U.S. Border Patrol instead of ICE.
...

More:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"Illegal Immies" can't vote anyways.

Lol. And who is stopping them?

 

[RandallFan]

Border Patrol doesnt deport people. They turn them around.

ICE deports people.

If we counted with the Obama method, Clinton and Bush deported 10 or 20 million illegals.

If you legalize the illegals they get all the freebies like EBT cards. The legal Mexican Nationals get food stamps.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Most people come here looking for work. Why did net immigration stop in 2007? Jobs dried up. Whatever freebies there were didn't change. If they are lazy and want freebies, they probably aren't going be ambitious enough to make the effort of trying to get into the country illegally (though should probably add that about half of all people currently in the country illegally entered on a legal basis- student, work, or travel visas and over-stayed them).

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Border Patrol doesnt deport people. They turn them around.

ICE deports people.

If we counted with the Obama method, Clinton and Bush deported 10 or 20 million illegals.

That's what I had heard.