Illegal immies want BarryO to halt depos, sayin he is expelling people who would vote democrat

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm white. They wouldn't dare ask for such things.

Depends upon where you live. Race or ethnicity is no indication of citizenship in some areas. "White" folks where I live are often fresh off the boat.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

Absolutely correct. The laws are there, just not enforced. They are occasionally enforced when a city wants to harass a given business. Selective and punitive enforcement. That's about it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

They're not unconstitutional until they're ruled unconstitutional. What laws are you claiming are unconstitutional by the way? And you believe the US has the right to deport someone in the country illegally?

About half of all illegal immigrants entered the coutry legally. They just didn't leave when they were supposed to. If you entered legally, are you here illegally?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Don't think I didn't notice that in your response to me, you 'neglected' to answer the questions I posed to you, and instead simply posed what are essentially the same questions back to me. Deflection 101. I'll answer when you do.

Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

In answer to your questions (my questions were in part to answer them but I guess you didn't connect that)- it is not worth the effort and cost and loss of liberty and expansion of government (I didn't mention the need for more INS agents and police to help get rid of them- expanded police state and more government spending and control) to try to get rid of every single illegal alien in the country. No- they won't "self repatriat" due to "lack of freebies" because as I said earlier, most are here for jobs- not gifts. Since it would cost us too much to get rid of all of them, then yes, some will be allowed to stay by default.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I'm white. They wouldn't dare ask for such things.

We will have to check everybody if you want 100% illegal alien enforcement.

 

[rpfocus]

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[rpfocus]

In answer to your questions (my questions were in part to answer them but I guess you didn't connect that)- it is not worth the effort and cost and loss of liberty and expansion of government (I didn't mention the need for more INS agents and police to help get rid of them- expanded police state and more government spending and control) to try to get rid of every single illegal alien in the country. No- they won't "self repatriat" due to "lack of freebies" because as I said earlier, most are here for jobs- not gifts. Since it would cost us too much to get rid of all of them, then yes, some will be allowed to stay by default.

Ok so out of 11 million illegals, how many are allowed to stay? I can only guess you're talking about amnesty for most of them. In which case I agree with you. Due to the lack of common sense by presidents during the last 30 years, in my opinion there is no real option other than letting most of them stay in the country. They wont be leaving on their own, nor is there any realistic chance of deporting 11 million illegals.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I don't necessarily think they should be given amnesty either but was pointing out the costs of trying to deport all 11 million. That is not going to happen. The difficult cases are kids who came to this country with their parents- have lived here nearly all of their lives, gone to school and perhaps found jobs. Should they be deported? Their "native" country would be completely foreign to them.

The proposed immigration reform has a long list of requirements people must meet and even once meeting those and applying must wait at least ten more years to apply for citizenship which is a pretty high standard (and not a blanket amnesty).

It is not a problem with a simple solution though some offer simple ideas. "They are here illegally. Expell all of them." Immigrants tend to have lower crime rates and have higher rates of creating jobs than "citizens" do. They pay taxes (income, property, sales taxes) and aren't elgible for any government benefits (Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid).

 

[rpfocus]

Actually, I should clarify that I (tentatively, as they have not provided specifics) support the revised Republican plan for immigration reform which includes a pathway to legalization.