If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

right there with ya.. but if off grid means having an independent power source.. that's cool too

Exactly. Living off grid doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the majority of the comforts of modern living. There a tons of off grid technology options for producing electricity (solar, wind, hydro, wood, etc) and within those types there are tons of different options which are scalable. Another key element is power efficiency and conservation. A highly insulated house orientated properly to maximize solar efficiency needs very little power for heatin/cooling, for example. Earth berm houses are another very clever option. There really are endless possibilities on how to create an off the grid power home without needing to sacrifice much.
 
right there with ya.. but if off grid means having an independent power source.. that's cool too

The ability to exist "off grid" is a good thing.

For everyday living in a community type environment a person is smart to make sure three phase electricity is available to the property.

Electric motors larger than 7.5hp (5hp realistically) require 3 phase and if a rural co-op needs to pull even half a mile of line it's often in excess of $50k..

Just food for thought.
 
The ability to exist "off grid" is a good thing.

For everyday living in a community type environment a person is smart to make sure three phase electricity is available to the property.

Electric motors larger than 7.5hp (5hp realistically) require 3 phase and if a rural co-op needs to pull even half a mile of line it's often in excess of $50k..

Just food for thought.

Small decentralized power sources are better,especially in a SHTF situation. You do not want to rely on a centralized power source.
 
Small decentralized power sources are better,especially in a SHTF situation. You do not want to rely on a centralized power source.

Hence the first sentence about living "off grid".

A person or group of people looking to set up a community will inevitably resort to "pole power" so long as it's available..

If this community intends to have such conveniences as refrigerated food storage, kilns, wood processing other than firewood, metal working, automobile repair etc. 3-phase power is cost effective and one thing to look for when reviewing property.

FYI, all hospital emergency generators (changed out every 5 years) generate 3-phase power, so do the larger surplus military units that run on diesel...

Power generation via photovoltaics wind or hydro are cute but ineffective and cost prohibitive for any type of productive community..
 
Thanks for this, now I'm having fun on google images.

This is a very cool thread of an ongoing build of an off-grid earth beamed house in upstate NY: http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5690.0

The forum also has some very cool examples of self-built homes. I particularly like these two:
Totally off-grid, self built home in KY: http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=9259.0
Ongoing self-build in TN: http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=11265.0
 
Yes I would hope to have alternative/emergency power sources available. Plus a big bunker. :)
 
Can we start narrowing down some areas? So far the Cumberland plains, Oklahoma(not in tornado ally), and Wyoming, possibly remote parts of Texas, sound like possibilities. I've talking to people about these areas.

Again, the hope is to find acreage not to far from a town, but not a major city, if possible. Everyone who can, buy up the acreage - and those who can't buy anything, can live on our land and the land of others (first come, first served after due diligence). Zoning, wells, roads and such are a factor. If necessary, we can start a new thread for the debate on this.

I'm getting a lot of interest in this, and even though it won't happen right away (some of us need to sell our homes), we should at least make a plan, and find a location. My family and friends are doing this in any event.
 
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You don't want to get too remote in Texas due to water issues. Will keep looking around. Might want to think about whether you want land that is improved or unimproved. Having access to a fire department is another consideration.
 
You don't want to get too remote in Texas due to water issues. Will keep looking around. Might want to think about whether you want land that is improved or unimproved. Having access to a fire department is another consideration.

If we have water tanks, which we will if we drill wells, we can probably handle fires okay, with the right equipment.
 
What state is least likely to become a police state? I'm not too optimistic about Texas lately.
 
I would suggest visiting first if you can. The last time I was in Oklahoma the roads are pretty bad. I don't know about eastern side but my sister lives near OKC and besides the tornados they get some bad winters aka blizzards.
Or at least talk to someone from there first. (Not trying to be negative but it is a commitment).
 
What state is least likely to become a police state? I'm not too optimistic about Texas lately.

That ship has already sailed, everywhere in the US. However, if you find a place that is remote enough that it just isn't worth it for them to bother you, it'll be the next best thing.
 
I would suggest visiting first if you can. The last time I was in Oklahoma the roads are pretty bad. I don't know about eastern side but my sister lives near OKC and besides the tornados they get some bad winters aka blizzards.
Or at least talk to someone from there first. (Not trying to be negative but it is a commitment).

Definitely.
 
That ship has already sailed, everywhere in the US. However, if you find a place that is remote enough that it just isn't worth it for them to bother you, it'll be the next best thing.

I don't know that remoteness matters much anymore with satellite imagery and pending domestic drone use.
 
I don't know that remoteness matters much anymore with satellite imagery and pending domestic drone use.

Remoteness is important if the goal is to be under the radar when civil unrest hits. As I mentioned in the OP, the gov'ts are going to be busy dealing with frantic people in densely populated areas first. If we're off the beaten path, pretty self-sustaining, and not looking for a fight, I don't think we'll need to worry much about being droned.

The federal gov't, at the behest of the money power, is in full swing to collapse us into a new system. Anyone with half a brain knows that we'll never get out from under a 90 trillion dollar debt (when you include unfunded liabilities), some form of collapse is inevitable. HOW they intend to do it and when, are the only questions. An educated guess is that they'll dump the federal reserve note and replace it with a new currency. But before that happens, there will be lots of Detroits, and as entitlement taxes start to strangle out the wage earners, the friction will be felt in the streets. They're gearing up for it, which is why the police are now militarized.

The land I linked to is intriguing because of the way it is situated.

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This kind of situation invites multiple buyers, if possible, but even if not, even if it's only one buyer, if the land can be further broken up into smaller parcels, then those who are joining that can't purchase right away, will have a chance to do so later. So, for example, if we bought 75 acres (in this case), people could move onto the land first, and buy it later, if they wanted to. I realize there are legal ramifications, and potential liabilities, but putting that aside for now, since I think it's mostly workable detail, I really think this is the sort of thing we're looking for, something fairly remote, but near some small towns, good hunting, probably good farming, water, roads, and not close enough to worry too much about people, who leave the big cities, finding us.

This is an example of something that might be doable. Are there drawbacks? Yessss.......finding work in that area could be a problem, but maybe not. I'm told job opportunities are very good in OK., and when I did a search for a nearby town on indeed.com, I found a slew of jobs, one that would even suit my husband. I'm also told that this area is not necessarily out of the way of tornados, but I guess no part of OK really is. So doing a history for that area it looks like the last devastating tornado took place in 1945. If you consider their laws on guns, taxes, zoning, permits, etc. they're pretty good. And I really dig the fact that they refused Obamacare and are fighting in the courts to reserve their Constitutional right to do so. The other thing is, it's not as brutally cold there as it is in some of the other locations.

There's still research that needs to be done in that area, of course. And, we can do some purchasing, but can't build until we sell our house, but I just wanted to share this, and see what others thought, or if anyone has come up with something similar.
 
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