If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

Deborah K said:
Is that all you have to say about it? :/

What's your opinion?
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Too flat for my taste but it'll beat the hell out of Cal.!

Your horses will be in heaven.

I have family in Ok. and everyone I've met has been down to earth..

Any more I'd need more information...
 
Deborah, you may have already mentioned this but what is your price-point? Max you're willing to spend for land?

I know multiple parties will be involved, but in general what is the most?
 
Deborah K said:
Remoteness is important if the goal is to be under the radar when civil unrest hits. As I mentioned in the OP, the gov'ts are going to be busy dealing with frantic people in densely populated areas first. If we're off the beaten path, pretty self-sustaining, and not looking for a fight, I don't think we'll need to worry much about being droned.

The federal gov't, at the behest of the money power, is in full swing to collapse us into a new system. Anyone with half a brain knows that we'll never get out from under a 90 trillion dollar debt (when you include unfunded liabilities), some form of collapse is inevitable. HOW they intend to do it and when, are the only questions. An educated guess is that they'll dump the federal reserve note and replace it with a new currency. But before that happens, there will be lots of Detroits, and as entitlement taxes start to strangle out the wage earners, the friction will be felt in the streets. They're gearing up for it, which is why the police are now militarized.

The land I linked to is intriguing because of the way it is situated.

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This kind of situation invites multiple buyers, if possible, but even if not, even if it's only one buyer, if the land can be further broken up into smaller parcels, then those who are joining that can't purchase right away, will have a chance to do so later. So, for example, if we bought 75 acres (in this case), people could move onto the land first, and buy it later, if they wanted to. I realize there are legal ramifications, and potential liabilities, but putting that aside for now, since I think it's mostly workable detail, I really think this is the sort of thing we're looking for, something fairly remote, but near some small towns, good hunting, probably good farming, water, roads, and not close enough to worry too much about people, who leave the big cities, finding us.

This is an example of something that might be doable. Are there drawbacks? Yessss.......finding work in that area could be a problem, but maybe not. I'm told job opportunities are very good in OK., and when I did a search for a nearby town on indeed.com, I found a slew of jobs, one that would even suit my husband. I'm also told that this area is not necessarily out of the way of tornados, but I guess no part of OK really is. So doing a history for that area it looks like the last devastating tornado took place in 1945. If you consider their laws on guns, taxes, zoning, permits, etc. they're pretty good. And I really dig the fact that they refused Obamacare and are fighting in the courts to reserve their Constitutional right to do so. The other thing is, it's not as brutally cold there as it is in some of the other locations.

There's still research that needs to be done in that area, of course. And, we can do some purchasing, but can't build until we sell our house, but I just wanted to share this, and see what others thought, or if anyone has come up with something similar.
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I have a friend who's a member on here who may be familiar with that area. I'll see if he can offer some input. If I moved to Oklahoma I could get my CBID as I am part Chickasaw and could opt out of Obamacare anyway because Indian tribes are exempt. The Chickasaws own a lot of businesses in the state. I'm not in a position to move anywhere right away but may still want to buy a couple of acres or so. Depending on price.
 
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jllundqu said:
Deborah, you may have already mentioned this but what is your price-point? Max you're willing to spend for land?

I know multiple parties will be involved, but in general what is the most?
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I'm unwilling to disclose that. As soon as we have a clear idea who's with us on this, and what they can bring to the table, as well as what's available, we'll make it known to those people what we're willing to invest. Not comfortable putting a number out there. But I will say this, again, when I wrote 1000 acres in the title, I just threw that number out there. No one should assume we (Mark and I) are willing to buy 1000 acres somewhere. It would be nice though, if we could get enough people to buy up 1000 acres of land in the same general area though. That could potentially take care of quite a few of us who intend to survive this mess intact, and with others who think like we do.
 
Deborah K said:
I'm unwilling to disclose that. As soon as we have a clear idea who's with us on this, and what they can bring to the table, as well as what's available, we'll make it known to those people what we're willing to invest. Not comfortable putting a number out there. But I will say this, again, when I wrote 1000 acres in the title, I just threw that number out there. No one should assume we (Mark and I) are willing to buy 1000 acres somewhere. It would be nice though, if we could get enough people to buy up 1000 acres of land in the same general area though. That could potentially take care of quite a few of us who intend to survive this mess intact, and with others who think like we do.
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Understood completely... just wondering what tracts you've been looking at and what price range.
 
jllundqu said:
http://www.landandfarm.com/property/640_acres_base_of_mountain_legal_and_physical_access_SELLER_FINANCING.-622963/

Found this one... nice price and fairly remote. Thoughts?
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What does this mean:

GRAZING A rancher has grazing privileges from Nov to April each year. This keeps property in Greenbelt (low taxes, $150 a year). A buyer can terminate the grazing by giving 90 days notice to the rancher. Rancher has not been using the grazing for the full period.
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??
 
Carlybee said:
I have a friend who's a member on here who may be familiar with that area. I'll see if he can offer some input. If I moved to Oklahoma I could get my CBID as I am part Chickasaw and could opt out of Obamacare anyway because Indian tribes are exempt. The Chickasaws own a lot of businesses in the state. I'm not in a position to move anywhere right away but may still want to buy a couple of acres or so. Depending on price.
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Did you know that Oklahoma translates as Redskin? :eek:

I'm not in a position to move right away either. We have to sell our house. And, to clarify, people wouldn't have to buy if they didn't want to, it would be an option.
 
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Deborah K said:
Interesting!

Now the research:

1. Laws
2. Weather
3. Jobs
4. How far from that massive NSA complex is it?
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Gun laws are relatively very good
Health supplement manufacturing laws are relatively very good
Hard currency laws have good local support
Drug laws are bad
Drinking laws are bad - state owned liquor stores and low alcohol % beer makes you pee a lot, but games of beer pong can go on longer
Weather is not horrible - snow in the winter but not very heavy since it isn't up in the mountains and is west of the great salt lake. Hot in the summer but not as hot as a desert and not humid.
Job market in Utah is relatively fantastic
Cost of living is relatively low
It is about 160 miles NW of the NSA complex
 
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dannno said:
Gun laws are relatively very good
Health supplement manufacturing laws are relatively very good
Hard currency laws have good local support
Drug laws are bad
Drinking laws are bad - state owned liquor stores and low alcohol % beer makes you pee a lot, but games of beer pong can go on longer
Weather is not horrible - snow in the winter but not very heavy since it isn't up in the mountains and is west of the great salt lake. Hot in the summer but not as hot as a desert and not humid.
Job market in Utah is relatively fantastic
It is about 160 miles NW of the NSA complex
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I like the locations.... we could just burn down the NSA site...

***Note to NSA spies/employees - I in no way advocate arson as a solution to the nation's problems, nor do I intend to harm anyone at the NSA*** ;)
 
If I were starting with a clean slate to buy land, I'd want at least some of these physical traits

trees, for both construction material and fuel
good drinking spring or well water and preferably some running surface water (possible power source + water for livestock)
tillable land, preferably with at least some rolling hills nearby
relatively low disaster risk


The only thing I would point out about the land you linked to, Deborah, is that it looks like it has been heavily logged relatively recently - looks like all the trees are young.
 
Tod said:
If I were starting with a clean slate to buy land, I'd want at least some of these physical traits

trees, for both construction material and fuel
good drinking spring or well water and preferably some running surface water (possible power source + water for livestock)
tillable land, preferably with at least some rolling hills nearby
relatively low disaster risk


The only thing I would point out about the land you linked to, Deborah, is that it looks like it has been heavily logged relatively recently - looks like all the trees are young.
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It says they're 30ft high. Does that mean they're young?
 
Deborah K said:
This land isn't flat. It's forest, pretty much. Very perdy. http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?ct=D&pid=204973689

and, http://www.landwatch.com/Pushmataha-County-Oklahoma-Land-for-sale/pid/204973683
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Those links work...

Are you guys used to building fence in rocky ground?

The weather wouldn't be a problem for me, maybe 3 months out of the year with the occasional few days below freezing..

Looks to be on the Eastern edge of the Ouachita range?

Like Tod said trees are young which could be a good thing depending on what you want..

From the looks of the "creek" it dries up in the summer...........Worth checking out in person..
 
Deborah K said:
It says they're 30ft high. Does that mean they're young?
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I'm looking more at the diameter than the height. One of the pics does show a good sized pine, but most of the stuff looks like it is much too small (thin) for lumber. As Tod said, small can be good for some purposes.

I found the place on google map http://goo.gl/maps/mO82j In satellite view you can see the loop road, and in map view if you click on terrain you can see a topo.

Looks like it is at the headwaters of the creeks in that area, so not much in the line of running water. There are two ponds on neighboring properties to the west...
 
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Deborah K said:
Interesting!

Now the research:

1. Laws
2. Weather
3. Jobs
4. How far from that massive NSA complex is it?
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Additional

Soil for farming
Water/wells
Access to electricity
Deed restrictions
Mineral rights


State taxes
Property taxes
 
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