If Trump was really a racist, would Ben Carson have endorsed him?

[CPUd]

There is a hierarchy:

Trumpanzees
--Trumpsuckers
----Trumpaloompas

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Define racist.

This will need to defined by those calling Trump "racist", see news headlines copied below.

I don't care if he is a racist. It's mostly that he is an establishment-authoritarian that bothers me.

If Trumpster is establishment, why both GOP/Dem/neocon estblishments are peeing in their pants in dspair/fear?
Authoritarian he could be and probably would lean towards being if won.

Ever heard of 'House Maid'?

Trump was never racist. He pretends to be racist in order to get racists to vote for him. That's even worse IMO. Carson was this cycle's token negro.

Carson has been called such terms by some Obama supporters/left wing types but on the Right he is highly respected, upright role model.
Need to learn more about facts fueling such characterizations for once GOP pack leaders like Ben Carson/Herman Cain.

Racist? Is this really an issue in the election in 2016? Jesus Christ, please save us.

It apparetly is at least for some:

Watch Mac Miller 'Whitesplain' to 'Racist F--kwad' Donald TrumpRollingStone.com‎ - 1 day ago

Of course, Donald Trump's a racist, but Clinton and Sanders are wise enough to know slinging that mud will only make ...Salon‎ - 2 days ago

Rapper Mac Miller: 'Racist' Trump Wants to 'Make America White Again'Breitbart News‎ - 1 day ago

John Legend (@johnlegend)
47 mins ago - View on Twitter
Yes, Trump trolls. I'm the real racist.


Here Are 9 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../donald-trump-racist-ex...
The Huffington Post
Feb 29, 2016 -


'SNL' parody: Racists for Trump - CNN Video - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/.../snl-donald-trump-parody-ad-ra...CNN

5 days ago

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Just Call Trump a Racist - Gawker
gawker.com/just-call-trump-a-racist-1763944273
Gawker
2 days ago

Hillary Clinton Calls Donald Trump a RACIST... And Trump ...
www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-calls-donald-trump-a-racist-a...

It wouldn't surprise me. Strategically it makes sense to deflect the racism charge that the Democrats always use, and they will triple down on it with Trump. It also could help somewhat with taking Michigan.

Dems usually excel in skin color politics so you may have a point.

I have a better question. Have the forums really devolved so much to have a thread with such a stupid question?

Can you elaborate a bit why this question is "stupid" ?
Do you believe race is not a major factor in US politics?

You should read "The Strange Career of Jim Crowe", racism has nothing to do with advocating for the political benefit of others. You can be racist and advocate for the benefit of minorities if it helps you politically (Johnson) of you can be a minority and vote for or advocate for racists if they will benefit you (Johnson again)...but there are many examples in the book, I recommend it.

Will try to read it but valid argument you made.

Thread title is a blatant non sequitur. It does not follow that Trump's status as a racist or a not-racist would necessarily have any impact whatsoever on Carson's endorsement or not-endorsement of Trump.

Probably so. But I do not assume that US politics and voters choices are logical.
In fact quite often, they are not. This is an observational question taking into account various perceptions that play a part in US elections and to speculate about motivations of Carson, Trump.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

If Trumpster is establishment, why both GOP/Dem/neocon estblishments are peeing in their pants in dspair/fear?
Authoritarian he could be and probably would lean towards being if won.

He's "outside his lane." You have establishmentarian politicians who take bribes from the oligarchs to do their bidding, and you have establishmentarian oligarchs that pay bribes to the politicians to do their bidding. Trump is an establishmentarian oligarch pretending to run as an anti-establishment politician. He's cutting into the politicians profits by cutting out the bribe taking middlemen.

Carson has been called such terms by some Obama supporters/left wing types but on the Right he is highly respected, upright role model.
Need to learn more about facts fueling such characterizations for once GOP pack leaders like Ben Carson/Herman Cain.

The ease and readiness with which some Trump supporters trot out these despicable terms disturbs me.

Probably so. But I do not assume that US politics and voters choices are logical.
In fact quite often, they are not. This is an observational question taking into account various perceptions that play a part in US elections and to speculate about motivations of Carson, Trump.

Neither the voters nor the politicians have to behave logically for logic to describe their actions and reactions. Any given action may be wholly illogical, and yet logic can be used to describe what happened and why. Say a woman freaks out emotionally because a man gives her roses. This is not a logical reaction, however via the application of deductive reasoning we might learn that roses were her mother's favorite flower, and when her mother passed the funeral home was inundated with roses and therefore she will forever associate roses with her deceased mother. Illogical action --> explained logically.

 

[nikcers]

I was talking to bubbleboy, and I have received my share of negs from all of you Trumpaloompas.

Come on man, I don't know what you think you know about Trump, but i know the guy. I have seen his true intentions with my minds eye.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And yet Trump seemed to know exactly who Duke was when he denounced him in 1991 and again in 2000. Along comes 2016 and we are supposed to believe that Trump no longer recognized the man?

Is Trump a liar or just senile?

Why would either of those options make a good President?

[MENTION=1699]RonPaulGeorge&Ringo[/MENTION] is back at it again, negging anyone who refuses to worship his idol messiah Trump.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I couldn't care less if Donald Trump is a racist or not (I don't think he is, he thinks in terms of who is an obstacle and who isn't, racial makeup of said persons largely being incidental), and I'll tell you right now, the people that are going to elect him don't give a rat's ass either. Trump will either be horrible at worst or slightly better than Obama at best, and Carson endorsing him has little bearing on that, nor the racial views of Trump or anyone else for that matter.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And yet Trump seemed to know exactly who Duke was when he denounced him in 1991 and again in 2000. Along comes 2016 and we are supposed to believe that Trump no longer recognized the man?

Is Trump a liar or just senile?

Why would either of those options make a good President?

Since you are clearly too much of a coward to make this accusation in public, and also obviously incapable of comprehending simple English, you will probably be incapable of noticing that I have made no charges one way or the other regarding racism or the lack thereof. I was addressing the fact that Trump was either lying outright, or suffering from some kind of amnesia stemming from senile dementia.

I do not expect Trump supporters like yourself to understand the difference, so I totally get why you are confused, but really, if you are incapable of comprehending basic elementary English, do you really think you should be passing judgement on those who have actually mastered the language?

Perhaps you can explain for the class, [MENTION=1699]RonPaulGeorge&Ringo[/MENTION] -- exactly what part of my quoted post you think qualifies as "race baiting" eh?

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Will try to read it but valid argument you made.

Absolutely, I'll forwarn you, it is definitely written in a pro-Government Solution manner....but if you are strong willed enough to look past it's progressive leanings, it does dwell into some very good history of racial history. It goes past the "white southerner=bad", and it explores paternalism, northern hypocrisy, imperialism as a factor of legitimacy, ect ect, and it finds that perhaps the commonality of WW2 started the end of Jim Crowe.

I enjoyed the read, even if the narrative was bias, its definitely one of the better books i've read on the subject.