If Trump was really a racist, would Ben Carson have endorsed him?

[Origanalist]

I have a better question. Have the forums really devolved so much to have a thread with such a stupid question?

 

[Ronin Truth]

I'd hafta say very doubtful, for Ben.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I have a better question. Have the forums really devolved so much to have a thread with such a stupid question?

Start a new thread with that question as the title.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Would Ben Carson, who is African-American, have endorsed him if Trump was really a racist?

Resting the case for time being.

You should read "The Strange Career of Jim Crowe", racism has nothing to do with advocating for the political benefit of others. You can be racist and advocate for the benefit of minorities if it helps you politically (Johnson) of you can be a minority and vote for or advocate for racists if they will benefit you (Johnson again)...but there are many examples in the book, I recommend it.

 

[69360]

Trump was never racist. He pretends to be racist in order to get racists to vote for him. That's even worse IMO. Carson was this cycle's token negro.

 

[juleswin]

This comes from the same file that contains the phrase "I can't be sexists against women because my mom is a woman". I have to say you make some of the weirdest post on this forum. First of all who on this forum is this directed to? I have never heard anyone give racism as a reason for not supporting Trump. And even if he was racist, who cares? he is still an authoritarian big govt, Clinton mole, zionist, friends with pedorapist billionaires, establishment politicians which is 1000x worse than just being a racist.

As for Ben Carson, the man is trying so hard to pander to alternative right voters that he would do anything to get their support. I don't think race has anything to do with his endorsement, he is just trying to sell his brand to a new demographic.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thread title is a blatant non sequitur. It does not follow that Trump's status as a racist or a not-racist would necessarily have any impact whatsoever on Carson's endorsement or not-endorsement of Trump.

The sky is blue and raspberry ice cream is blue, therefore the sky must taste like raspberry ice cream. If Bill were a pastrymaker and Bob were diabetic, then Bob would never eat anything Bill made. (nevermind Bill makes sugar free desserts and also a darn good Texas chili.)

Jiminy Crickets, it's like you have to go and get a logic lobotomy immediately upon a declaration of support for this Trump guy. SMDH

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

...I actually can't believe this is a post. I think any of us care less what Trump thinks of certain people, but really, to go 'He got a famous Black politician to endorse him, so he's obviously not racist' is just...really?

 

[laurak]

Would Ben Carson, who is African-American, have endorsed him if Trump was really a racist?

Resting the case for time being.

Apply the same reasoning to David Duke's Trump endorsement or lack thereof, the ludicrousness will shine through..

 

[kahless]

Apply the same reasoning to David Duke's Trump endorsement or lack thereof, the ludicrousness will shine through..

People will make the comparison regardless when there is none. Carson is a prominent national figure, from a competing campaign, for which Trump held a press conference for his endorsement. As opposed to Duke, Trump did not even know he was endorsed by Duke when asked the question and then disavowed the endorsement.

 

[MelissaWV]

I don't care which of them is racist, Christian, old, left-handed, misogynist, or any number of things. I care whether or not they will impose those views on us via legislation/executive order.

And yeah, as others have explained, "I have a black friend!" doesn't automatically make you not racist.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

People will make the comparison regardless when there is none. Carson is a prominent national figure, from a competing campaign, for which Trump held a press conference for his endorsement. As opposed to Duke, Trump did not even know he was endorsed by Duke when asked the question and then disavowed the endorsement.

And yet Trump seemed to know exactly who Duke was when he denounced him in 1991 and again in 2000. Along comes 2016 and we are supposed to believe that Trump no longer recognized the man?

Is Trump a liar or just senile?

Why would either of those options make a good President?

 

[kahless]

And yet Trump seemed to know exactly who Duke was when he denounced him in 1991 and again in 2000. Along comes 2016 and we are supposed to believe that Trump no longer recognized the man?

Is Trump a liar or just senile?

Why would either of those options make a good President?

Do you even realize you are using the same baseless race baiting tactics of the left and the media have used in the past against the Ron and Rand? You could practically remove Trump from your post and insert Rand or Ron and newsletters, CRA, etc.

Never thought I would see the day that it would be used here rather than debate his policy positions. It reeks of desperation.

Evidently Ron agrees.

Ron Paul: The Trump KKK Controversy Is A Media Plant
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/01/r...roversy-is-a-media-plant-video/#ixzz42cy288We

Former Rep. Ron Paul says the Donald Trump/Ku Klux Klan controversy “has to be a plant by the media.”

In an interview with CNN’s Carol Costello on Tuesday, Paul said, “It’s interesting the media is able to create the issue, the Ku Klux Klan. You know, I don’t even know if there’s 100 people in the country that even know about it.”
Costello asked Paul about his thoughts regarding Trump, David Duke, and the Ku Klux Klan, and Paul said, “Well, it’s pretty amazing. … Of course it has to be condemned, but why are people able to bring this up? No politician would want it to be brought up. So it has to be, you know, a plant by the media to instigate it and try to make accusations.”

“Let’s blame them and let’s blame the media for tracking him. But the whole thing is is why did it come up? Sure, we can blame Donald Trump. I blame him for everything else, so blame him, but how did this become the issue of the day? The first question you asked on Super Tuesday is the Ku Klux Klan. This is unbelievable to me. This has been condemned, and they have been marginalized. Nobody cares about them. They’re evil, they’re monsters, and yet now it’s going to be the issue of the day,” Paul said.

The issue of the day should instead be “how in the world do these things occur?” Paul asked. “Why aren’t we talking about the military industrial complex, the Federal Reserve, the deficits, the intrusion of our privacy and all the intrusions of our liberties, which are never touched? The protectionism that’s going on and presented, this socialism versus national populism — those are the issues, but today it’s the Ku Klux Klan.”

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Do you even realize you are using the same baseless race baiting tactics of the left and the media have used in the past against the Ron and Rand? You could practically remove Trump from your post and insert Rand or Ron and newsletters, CRA, etc.

Never thought I would see the day that it would be used here rather than debate his policy positions. It reeks of desperation.

Evidently Ron agrees.

Ron Paul: The Trump KKK Controversy Is A Media Plant
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/01/r...roversy-is-a-media-plant-video/#ixzz42cy288We

I am just as rational as I have been since 2007. You on the other hand have completely lost your mind. To me, this is 100% proof that Trump rots the brain. If you will try using your words and actually reading what I wrote (I know, that is so very hard for you) then you would see that I in no way, shape, or form implied or indicated that Trump is a racist. For the record, I do not believe Trump is a racist, I believe that he is cynically using racists to get himself elected. In fact I demonstrated conclusively that he was either lying or senile, and the way I formed the argument, the fact of whether he is or is not a racist was left completely irrelevant.

I do understand that basic English comprehension becomes problematic for Trumpaloompas. Y'all have proven time and time again that supporting that guy totally rots the brain, but what I wrote should have been accessible to your average 3rd grader. You people are reaching new lows every day in your desperation to support an authoritarian tyrant and convince those of us who still have brains that this will somehow be good for liberty.

Now if you are done swatting down your own strawmen, you may proceed to address what I actually said....providing that you are capable of at least a 3rd grade reading comprehension and can actually comprehend what i wrote.

 

[juleswin]

Just so everything knows what Kahles and Gunny are talking about

Trump said this about David Duke in 1991

King, Nov. 19, 1991: Did the David Duke thing bother you? Fifty-five percent of the whites in Louisiana voted for him.

Trump: I hate —

King: Four hundred New Yorkers contributed.

Trump: I hate seeing what it represents, but I guess it just shows there’s a lot of hostility in this country. There’s a tremendous amount of hostility in the United States.

And in 2000

Lauer, Feb. 14, 2000: When you say the party is self-destructing, what do you see as the biggest problem with the Reform Party right now?

Trump: Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. Buchanan’s a disaster as we’ve, you know, covered. Jesse’s a terrific guy who just left the party. And he, you know, it’s unfortunate, but he just left the party. He’s going to be doing his Independence Party from Minnesota.

Also you have this about Trump and the reform party

How Roger Stone and Donald Trump destroyed George W. Bush’s potential rivals in 2000 is less well known. That year, George W. Bush faced two known threats, and Roger Stone was tasked with neutralizing them: Pat Buchanan, whose 1992 run nearly crippled Bush’s father in the primaries; and Ross Perot’s Reform Party, which drained enough votes in ’92 and ’96 to ensure Clinton victories.

So in the lead-up to the 2000 election, Roger Stone cleverly cajoled Pat Buchanan into taking control of Perot’s Reform Party, then used his friend Donald Trump to run a rival campaign against Buchanan for the Reform Party candidacy—only to drop out of the race, and attack Buchanan’s Reform Party as a cesspool full of Hitler lovers and racists. Stone inserted moles like William Von Raab, secretly funded by Trump, into Buchanan’s campaign, according to the Village Voice.

The operation wound up destroying the Reform Party’s brand and burying it for good, stinking it up too much for a late entry by Ross Perot. The Reform Party’s chairman, Pat Choate, called the “Trump/Stone operation” a “Republican dirty trick” meant to “disgust people and drive them away from the Reform Party. They were doing everything in their power to make a mess.”

The point, however, is that it worked: The Reform Party and Pat Buchanan caused no damage whatsoever to George W. Bush’s election bid in 2000, unlike Ralph Nader’s effect on Al Gore’s run.

There's more to this story, including the fact that Ross Perot turned his back on Pat over Israel and sought to destroy him. But this is part of what happened in 2000.

Even the most optimistic view of Trump pales behind what Pat Buchanan could have done in a fair fight.

http://www.philstockworld.com/2015/08/13/behind-the-scenes-of-the-donald-trump-roger-stone-show/

More on the story:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-sex-scandal-that-put-bush-in-the-white-house-6407173

and:

http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...trump-embrace-recalls-2000-reform-party-race/

 

[klamath]

I am just as rational as I have been since 2007. You on the other hand have completely lost your mind. To me, this is 100% proof that Trump rots the brain. If you will try using your words and actually reading what I wrote (I know, that is so very hard for you) then you would see that I in no way, shape, or form implied or indicated that Trump is a racist. For the record, I do not believe Trump is a racist, I believe that he is cynically using racists to get himself elected. In fact I demonstrated conclusively that he was either lying or senile, and the way I formed the argument, the fact of whether he is or is not a racist was left completely irrelevant.

I do understand that basic English comprehension becomes problematic for Trumpaloompas. Y'all have proven time and time again that supporting that guy totally rots the brain, but what I wrote should have been accessible to your average 3rd grader. You people are reaching new lows every day in your desperation to support an authoritarian tyrant and convince those of us who still have brains that this will somehow be good for liberty.

Now if you are done swatting down your own strawmen, you may proceed to address what I actually said....providing that you are capable of at least a 3rd grade reading comprehension and can actually comprehend what i wrote.

Exactly Gunny.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Ever heard of 'House Maid'?

LOL Negging people because they won't worship your boy Trump eh? Typical for you lot.

 

[misterx]

LOL Negging people because they won't worship your boy Trump eh? Typical for you lot.

Not really. I generally don't neg unless negged.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Not really. I generally don't neg unless negged.

I was talking to bubbleboy, and I have received my share of negs from all of you Trumpaloompas.

 

[misterx]

I was talking to bubbleboy, and I have received my share of negs from all of you Trumpaloompas.

lol at least you came up with a funnier name than Trumpanzees. That one was getting old.