If Trump runs in 2024, I'll vote for him.

The only lies are from your filthy mouth. The President controls troop movements and can bring them home any time. I must have missed the huge troop withdrawal from Korea.
Next time you want to lie, try harder.

I posted many troop withdrawals.
I don't remember if any were from Korea but there isn't an active war there.
I know he pulled quite a few out of Japan, and he ended the war in Afghanistan.
I'm not going to bother to dig up any more for you because I know you.
 
I posted many troop withdrawals.
I don't remember if any were from Korea but there isn't an active war there.
I know he pulled quite a few out of Japan, and he ended the war in Afghanistan.
I'm not going to bother to dig up any more for you because I know you.
No you don't know me, that's just another lie of yours.

Yes Afghanistan withdrawal was a good thing.
It doesn't matter if there is or isn't an active war in Korea. Our troops should be home.
Trump makes it about money, which isn't a bad thing but he should make it about the Constitution.

He was the best President in my lifetime and he was still a garbage President.
 
If only to do nothing more than poke $#@!s like this in the eye.

Take your own $#@!ing advice.




We’re Not Prepared for What MAGA Brownshirts Will Do in 2024

https://www.yahoo.com/video/not-pre...aw4aGiRKl3tU5kaQqzFJhW9Em4_7GrC7b97ho3XH-_vzD

Wajahat Ali

Fri, July 15, 2022, 4:57 AM·7 min read

The latest Jan. 6 Committee hearing revealed the incestuous relationship between violent militias, extremists, and Trump’s inner circle—whose decision to march to the U.S. Capitol was deliberate, premeditated, and planned.

The committee showed a draft tweet in which Trump wrote, “I will be making a Big Speech at 10AM on January 6th at the Ellipse…please arrive early, massive crowds expected. March to the Capitol after. Stop the Steal!”

Even though the tweet wasn’t sent, Katrina Pierson, Trump’s former spokeswoman, emailed rally organizers that Trump was going to “call on everyone to march to the Capitol.” Those marchers included Ali Alexander, one of the organizers of the Stop the Steal really, who sent a text to a conservative journalist that Trump was going to “order” them to march to the Capitol. Trump also wanted Alexander and Alex Jones (who has gotten rich propagating fake conspiracy theories) to speak at the rally because Trump “likes the crazies,” according to a text exchange between Pierson and Trump activist Kyle Kremer. Pierson added, “he loved people who viciously defended him in public”.

Your Grandkids Will Care About the Jan. 6 Hearings, Even if You Don’t

That included Stephen Ayres, a witness at the hearing and die-hard MAGA supporter, who said, “We basically were just following what [Trump] said.” As a result of doing his own research on the internet, Ayres was radicalized by right-wing lies, conspiracy theories, and disinformation. He assumed his dear leader wanted him to march to the Capitol, so he did, and as a result, he eventually pleaded guilty to disorderly and disruptive conduct, lost his job, and was forced to sell his home.

Ayres was joined by thousands of MAGA patriots who were going to “take back” the country that was stolen from them by the “deep state.”

There is a historical parallel between the red MAGA hat-wearing extremists who commit wanton acts of political violence in the service of an authoritarian thug, and the brownshirt militias of Nazi Germany. (Before you send an angry email falsely accusing me of saying “all Trump voters are Nazis,” read the previous sentence again.) They’re wearing different costumes and shouting different slogans, but like the stormtroopers of the past, groups like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and dozens more are weaponized militias willing to use violence to cement authoritarian rule.

The question ahead of us is whether the majority acknowledges this active threat to our fragile democracy, or will we continue being “willfully blind” to appease bad-faith Republicans who are actively engaged in an ongoing coup?

The MAGA brownshirts took Trump seriously, and literally

On Dec. 19, 2020, Trump tweeted about a “big protest in D.C.,” adding, “Be there, will be wild!” Extremists online saw Trump’s tweet as a green light to start plotting and orchestrating their violent coup attempt.

The committee revealed messages in which Trump supporters fantasized about killing cops and Democrats, and referred to Jan. 6 as “the day of the rope” and “D-Day.” Another wrote, “Trump just told us to come armed. $#@!ing A. This is happening!” They can’t be blamed for assuming Trump wanted them to unleash hell. After all, Trump did tell the Proud Boys, an armed, right-wing group, to “stand back and stand by” when he was asked multiple times to denounce white supremacy during the 2020 presidential debates.

The Proud Boys took Trump literally and seriously.

They allegedly wrote a plan, entitled “1776 Returns,” which outlined their goal to forcibly take control of D.C.-area buildings to ensure their demands were met, which included Congress certifying that Donald Trump had been re-elected.

The night before the insurrection, the leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, met with Stewart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers (which was described by its former spokesperson Jason Van Tatenhove as a “violent militia” that came to D.C. seeking an “armed revolution.”) Specifically, in two open letters published in December 2020, Rhodes asked Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. He wrote “millions of American military and law enforcement veterans, and many millions more loyal patriotic American gun owners stand ready to answer your call to arms, and obey your orders to get this done.” Those willing to obey include Republican elected officials.

One could dismiss Tarrio and Rhodes as right-wing cranks; however, they represent the growing brownshirt component of the radicalized Republican ecosystem. For example, at least 28 elected officials currently have ties to the Oath Keepers, which includes Arizona Republican Mark Finchem, who is running for secretary of state and actively promotes the Big Lie. The Oath Keepers are also connected to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser and a popular fixture in the MAGA-verse and QAnon conspiracy circles.

Flynn sits on the board of Defending the Republic, the group created by Sidney Powell, which made millions trying to overturn the 2020 election and promote conspiracy theories. Powell was so committed to the Big Lie that she allegedly told Trump to have the federal government seize state voting machines, and he almost appointed her as special counsel to investigate election fraud. There are also suspicions that she’s the Oath Keepers’ sugar mama. A judge has ordered Rhodes to reveal if Powell’s group is improperly paying for his legal fees.

Although Rhodes and Tarrio (along with other leaders of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys) have been charged with seditious conspiracy, they are not the only MAGA supporters willing to use violence to further their ends. A recent PRRI poll revealed that a third of Republicans believe “true American patriots may have to resort to violence” in order to “save the country.”

The far right has manufactured its villains, whom they believe are best vanquished with guns—which now have more rights than women thanks to an increasingly radicalized right-wing Supreme Court.

GOP heroes now include Kyle Rittenhouse, a young man who shot and killed two people at a Black Lives Matter protest, and Mark McCloskey, who, along with his wife, illegally brandished firearms against peaceful BLM protesters. The couple was rewarded with a primetime slot at the 2020 Republican National Convention to warn white families about Black and brown people invading the suburbs. The couple was also pardoned by the Republican governor of Missouri.

To draw an obvious parallel between the past and the rising political power of the modern-day brownshirts, GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar both spoke at a white nationalist conference hosted by the racist and antisemitic Nick Fuentes, who was also present at the Jan. 6 insurrection with his Groypers group. According to the Southern Law Poverty Center, Fuentes allegedly told insurrectionists to “break down the barriers and disregard the police.” Reps. Greene and Gosar have not been censured by GOP leadership and remain members in good standing with their caucus.

In his rise to power, Trump’s vulgarity, cruelty, and invitation to use violence was what separated him from the pack of Republican presidential wannabes. It was his call to authoritarianism—rather than politics as usual—that Republican voters fell in love with. They loved when he encouraged his supporters to beat up protesters, demonized the press as the “enemy of the people,” and called for a plainly racist “Muslim ban.”

The Entire GOP Is Complicit in the Coup Attempt

Even with Trump out of office, the GOP has shown it only cares about national security if it involves Muslims, Black people, and immigrants. Violent insurrections, mass shootings, and the rise of white power movements (the No. 1 domestic threat in America), barely rate on their list of concerns.

It’s up to the Justice Department and law enforcement to aggressively investigate violent extremist movements—and their political allies—and hold them accountable before the 2024 election. Mainstream institutions, especially the media, must keep educating themselves about this threat and warning the public—much like they obsessed over Muslims during the endless War on Terror.

This time, the threat is domestic, homegrown, and increasingly normalized by the GOP and Trump.

Don’t take my word for it. Just listen to Tatenhove, the former Oath Keeper, who warned the nation: “If a president who is trying to instill, and encourage, to whip up a civil war among his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, regardless of the human impact, what else is he going to do if he gets elected again?”

We all saw the sneak preview on Jan. 6. It’s up to our institutions, especially the Justice Department, to ensure we don’t see the bloody feature in 2024.


Or instead of fighting in rigged game where the satanic cabal are always the only winners get a farm, raise some animals and make lots of white babies with your wife. Teach your kids about God and traditional gender roles.
 
Or instead of fighting in rigged game where the satanic cabal are always the only winners get a farm, raise some animals and make lots of white babies with your wife. Teach your kids about God and traditional gender roles.

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You could join these folks on the National Mall.
 
You could join these folks on the National Mall.

Depends if there will be Trump people there. If there are Trump people then they probably smell funny and we should not associate with them whatsoever, ***BUT*** if there are any flaming liberal marxists around then we should bend over backwards to reach out to them and form an unholy alliance that unifies everyone something something blah blah blah and will really scare the elites. It'll happen any day now, so I've been told for the last few decades.
 
Or instead of fighting in rigged game where the satanic cabal are always the only winners get a farm, raise some animals and make lots of white babies with your wife. Teach your kids about God and traditional gender roles.

Good advice.

I happen to have done/am doing every single one of those things.

But I also have to look forward to do what I can to preserve my son's and daughter's legacy, their birthright: a free and prosperous nation for them, that their family has built over three centuries.
 
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We are going to have to know this is true, and still vote for him.
If Trump gets our votes, it sends a message that Republicans are okay with increased spending and debt and never ending wars. Not voting for big government Presidents sends a message to change to a different type of candidate.
 
Or instead of fighting in rigged game where the satanic cabal are always the only winners get a farm, raise some animals and make lots of white babies with your wife. Teach your kids about God and traditional gender roles.
What if one or both parents aren't white?
 
I posted this in the "Trump 2024" thread currently on page 2. Same applies:

Look, if it's him and Biden again, I'll toss my vote to Trump but it will be while holding my nose.
No Democrat, with the exception of maybe Gabbard, will ever have my vote at this rate. In truth, if the GOP wants to sniff the White House again, they'll run DeSantis and let the chains off of him and tell him to go all in and go all for it, say what you want, we don't care.

The media won't care what DeSantis has to say either way. They'll spin everything so it doesn't really matter. The GOP, however, is always about 20 years too late in their strategies. They need to embrace chaos and bulldogs, which is what they fought the entire time against Trump. That came back to bite them, and we, the American people, big time.

Say what you will about Trump - that he was a pawn, that he's one of them, etc. I'm not sure I'd be able to disagree, but for whatever his part was, he did it well enough that they're still gunning for him and his supporters. The regime doesn't want the "deplorables" around. And whether he's the acting face for them or not, there's something about the Trump presidency that sure seems like it wasn't "supposed" to happen. The Deep State (Swamp) was exposed during his presidency. We know its there now without a doubt.

Edit: having said all of this, we've seen the presidency does a matter a little over these last several years. However, our time and efforts are better spent fighting local and state level fights more than anything else. Maximize the "power" at those levels instead of relying on D.C.
 
Depends if there will be Trump people there. If there are Trump people then they probably smell funny and we should not associate with them whatsoever, ***BUT*** if there are any flaming liberal marxists around then we should bend over backwards to reach out to them and form an unholy alliance that unifies everyone something something blah blah blah and will really scare the elites. It'll happen any day now, so I've been told for the last few decades.

Some,,but not all.

despite varied religions,,they are mostly people of Faith, and God is Central.

Promoting a return to the Constitution and to Morality. because an immoral country would not be worth saving.

Ma and Pa are in their 80s.. out there every day..

Dinner-Bell is an impressive young man of 13,, gives some hope in a next generation.

Santa is a reluctant Leader. but seems to have some wisdom.

and they have been in the Face of the Beast for Two Weeks now.
 
I'm conflicted. Was he complacent in unleashing the death shot? I haven't voted since mandatory mail-in ballots. 0 confidence in the legitimacy of the election system. I also resigned as a pollworker.
 
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If Trump gets our votes, it sends a message that Republicans are okay with increased spending and debt and never ending wars. Not voting for big government Presidents sends a message to change to a different type of candidate.

Nah. Both have been proven false. No message is sent, and no effect other than to help Democrats win.
It is what it is.

Trump will lock up the nom, Dems will nom Hilary, Michelle or Gavin, and Trump will choose Noem as his RM.
Who wins is going to depend on this year's gubernatorial races in swing states, where elections are won or lost.
Which party conducts the election chooses the winner. If Dems hold the swing states, they will rig it again.

I've voted in many presidential elections for fringe candidates more in league with my opinions.
It is an exercise in futility.
 
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LOL

Is that a joke?

Objectively Trump has moved us closer towards socialism. I think most people would agree that if you had to pick one trait of socialism it's the size of government.

And it skyrocketed under Trump.

Obama (in trillions)

3.4
3.6
3.5
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.8
3.9

Trump
4.1
4.4
6.5
7.2

It's effing embarrassing
 
Objectively Trump has moved us closer towards socialism. I think most people would agree that if you had to pick one trait of socialism it's the size of government.

And it skyrocketed under Trump.

Obama (in trillions)

3.4
3.6
3.5
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.8
3.9

Trump
4.1
4.4
6.5
7.2

It's effing embarrassing

Great post. Cant be bullshitted or spun
 
He was pretty good at neutering the EPA and got us out of the W.H.O., which Biden almost immediately undid as soon as he took office. Gains in some areas, losses in others. Perhaps mildly better than losses in all areas. Really don't see the republicans offering up anything that isn't going to be full blown neocon though.

Would like to see Rand Paul run again in the primary 2024 but damned if I'm gonna watch another liberty candidate drop-out before the finish line. We either need to be in it to win it or STFU IMO.

Pretty much everyone has had a good lesson in monetary inflation over the past few years so it might be hip to talk about the Fed again.

Yeah, but all that pales in comparison to government spending and it went way up under Trump. It almost doubled and I don't think any president has come close to that for a 4 year term. Government has to be paid for one way or another by stealing wealth from private citizens. Where do you think all this inflation is coming from? If you say supply chain disruptions go to the back of the class.

The idea that massive government is just a minor "negative" is a bunch of crap.
 
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