If Trump runs in 2024, I'll vote for him.

I'm conflicted. Was he complacent in unleashing the death shot?

Just the opposite. He was so complicit in that they named it after him for a time.

Yeah, but all that pales in comparison to government spending and it went way up under Trump. It almost doubled and I don't think any president has come close to that for a 4 year term. Government has to be paid for one way or another by stealing wealth from private citizens. Where do you think all this inflation is coming from? If you say supply chain disruptions go to the back of the class.

The idea that massive government is just a minor "negative" is a bunch of crap.

This, though the question comes up: Are Moderna, Pfizer and BioNTech government? I guess members of government own enough stock in them that they might as well be.

Yeah, it takes a great amount of stupidity--or a level of partisanship on a par with Swordshyll, or both--to say, "Inflation didn't ramp up until a week or so before Biden was sworn in, so Trump's blameless." This started as Trumpflation. Bidenflation didn't even start until last month or so.
 
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Just the opposite. He was so complicit in that they named it after him for a time.



This, though the question comes up: Are Moderna, Pfizer and BioNTech government? I guess members of government own enough stock in them that they might as well be.

Yeah, it takes a great amount of stupidity--or a level of partisanship on a par with Swordshyll, or both--to say, "Inflation didn't ramp up until a week or so before Biden was sworn in, so Trump's blameless." This started as Trumpflation. Bidenflation didn't even start until last month or so.

Although to be fair you'd probably have to add Bush and Obama in there.

Republicans are idiots for blaming it on Biden and the oil supply. Biden is stupid for restricting the supply of oil but that's only a microscopic cause of overall price inflation.

Democrats are idiots for blaming it on Putin and Greedy Big Business.

The real root cause is government spending. And that's been a problem for decades really.

govt spending -> borrowing -> printing -> price inflation
 
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If you wanted to be totally fair you'd go back to Hoover. But you yourself showed the numbers that prove it was Trump who turned the trickle into a flash flood.

I'm not playing this game.

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In going from Trump to Biden, we went from someone who looks and sounds like an idiot to an actual idiot. The Biden dementia doesn't make me blind to the fact that the death, destruction and corruption of the Covid Age was all kicked off by Trump.

If Trump is not, in fact, a genuine downright moron, then he's the most complicit and contemptible criminal in U.S. history. His possible stupidity is his only possible defense. I don't personally think he is that stupid. This is no compliment.

This is still the asswipe who conspired with Pelosi to trash the Constitution. Of course, if you're as arrogant as your typical prog, like Swordshyll is, you want it gone because you actually think you can write a better one.
 
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Nah. Both have been proven false. No message is sent, and no effect other than to help Democrats win.
It is what it is.

Trump will lock up the nom, Dems will nom Hilary, Michelle or Gavin, and Trump will choose Noem as his RM.
Who wins is going to depend on this year's gubernatorial races in swing states, where elections are won or lost.
Which party conducts the election chooses the winner. If Dems hold the swing states, they will rig it again.

I've voted in many presidential elections for fringe candidates more in league with my opinions.
It is an exercise in futility.
Independents will switch. Some of the people who voted Obama, voted Trump. The problem is winning the parties nomination imo. Not that you are saying one way or the other.

Agree with who controls Congress is big on some of the issues. On spending and being policemen of the world, unfortunately it doesn't matter.
 


Up to 50,000 is not "everyone". Everyone is 2.85 million employees, and last I heard, even more contractors. Discount the contractors and you're talking 1.75% of everyone.

But, of course, we all know they'd all be replaced by contractors.

On the way to that headline, Timmy seems to have lost track of some fingers and toes (though my favorite part of the title is "Secretly"). He also seems to have forgotten that Trump only kept 2% of his previous campaign promises.
 
Up to 50,000 is not "everyone". Everyone is 2.85 million employees, and last I heard, even more contractors. Discount the contractors and you're talking 1.75% of everyone.

But, of course, we all know they'd all be replaced by contractors.

On the way to that headline, Timmy seems to have lost track of some fingers and toes (though my favorite part of the title is "Secretly"). He also seems to have forgotten that Trump only kept 2% of his previous campaign promises.

That about sums it up.

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Up to 50,000 is not "everyone". Everyone is 2.85 million employees, and last I heard, even more contractors. Discount the contractors and you're talking 1.75% of everyone.

But, of course, we all know they'd all be replaced by contractors.

On the way to that headline, Timmy seems to have lost track of some fingers and toes (though my favorite part of the title is "Secretly"). He also seems to have forgotten that Trump only kept 2% of his previous campaign promises.

50k is better than nuthin'.
Government functionaries and bureaucrats ensconced in positions of power are a big part of the pain the average Joe feels from government.
Funny though, as you say, there's no mention of what accountability the new whip-masters would be held to. At first blush it would appear that contractors are freer to abuse positions of power but you've gotta wonder if fear of actual accountability might weigh in...

Either way shaking up the status-quo is a good thing.
 
Either way shaking up the status-quo is a good thing.

A great many people think so. And they're going to offer us a "choice" promising to do just that. But they're not going to offer us someone who actually will. Least of all the guy who wasn't doing anything of the sort four years ago--well, except for preparing to preside over executive branch agencies as they lied, encouraged the deliberate destruction of all small business, shoved deadly crap through the medicinal approval process, and a few little things like that.

If we want the status quo shaken up in any kind of a good way, don't count on that crook. Start shaking, because it's time to stop buying the b.s. and overthrow the status quo. Voting for Trump will not accomplish that, any more that sticking a pacifier in the baby's mouth will keep the kids from getting hungry.

This is the guy who said that thing causing people to drop like flies ought to have been named after him, tod, like the scourge of the young millennium is another tacky hotel. How is this tool the right tool to shake up the status quo with? Sorry, we're either going to work harder on this than just voting again for the crook who "lost" the last "election", or settle for full-on Marxist fascism.
 
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There are so many libertarians here that I otherwise love, but are such negative bitches.

Here in my state of AZ we have the GOP liberal establishment pushing more McCain type candidates, such as Karrin Robson and Jim Lamon. They are backed by people like Pence, Ducey, Brewer and the DC machine.

I will gladly support the anti-establishment candidates of Kari Lake and Blake Masters.

The corrupt GOP is promoting RINOs and they are fighting against Trump endorsements harder than they are fighting the Democrats.

It is strange to me that more people can't see how the Republicrat machine is working overtime against Trump and Lake and Masters, etc.

I love a good conspiracy theory, but this nonsense of acting like everything is controlled opposition and such is just plain whacked.
 
Would it be fair to say that unless Trump does some massive cheating he's never going to be president again?
 
Objectively Trump has moved us closer towards socialism. I think most people would agree that if you had to pick one trait of socialism it's the size of government.

And it skyrocketed under Trump.

Obama (in trillions)

3.4
3.6
3.5
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.8
3.9

Trump
4.1
4.4
6.5
7.2

It's effing embarrassing
That was congress, and Trump vetoed the last NDAA to prove it.
They overrode the veto just as they would have for every other bill people wanted him to veto instead of negotiating.

Trump reduced the size and scope of government everywhere he could.
 
There are so many libertarians here that I otherwise love, but are such negative bitches.

Here in my state of AZ we have the GOP liberal establishment pushing more McCain type candidates, such as Karrin Robson and Jim Lamon. They are backed by people like Pence, Ducey, Brewer and the DC machine.

I will gladly support the anti-establishment candidates of Kari Lake and Blake Masters.

The corrupt GOP is promoting RINOs and they are fighting against Trump endorsements harder than they are fighting the Democrats.

It is strange to me that more people can't see how the Republicrat machine is working overtime against Trump and Lake and Masters, etc.

I love a good conspiracy theory, but this nonsense of acting like everything is controlled opposition and such is just plain whacked.

It's almost like some of the people here are controlled opposition.
 
That was congress, and Trump vetoed the last NDAA to prove it.
They overrode the veto just as they would have for every other bill people wanted him to veto instead of negotiating.

One defense spending bill. He was out there daily selling his 'Print Currency at Warp Speed for Big Pharma Plan' and you want to talk about one defense spending bill. Naturally, the fact that he had a different Congress before that, and lifted not one finger to shed tens of thousands of federal workers at that time is something you don't care to highlight.

Trump reduced the size and scope of government everywhere he could.

Oh, sure. Doubling the spending in order to gift Big Pharma with trillions they could use to hire lawyers later when people figured out it was all to buy poison didn't actually lead to any new federal hiring.

It all led to certain states and the Feds assuming dictatorial powers. But we all know you like those.

It's almost like some of the people here are controlled opposition.

Not 'almost'--at least, not when you look in a mirror.
 
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I like how Trump made the biggest tax cut in the last 40-50 years

and somehow it was still only like 0.5%

"huge"

0.5 still better than 0 shrug
 
Trump is still the lesser-of-two-evils, and nobody here can refute it, until and unless he does something worse than the Democrats have/are/will do. There are plenty of BADS with Trump, but there are also overlooked GOODS. One of the GOODS with Trump is that he preferred a very HANDS ON approach. For example, he wanted to cut down on funding for the National Endowment For Democracy, that is basically a second-CIA, or even worse, in its role to cause harm and implement regime change around the world. Sure, Trump is a Zionist and Trump is a Big Finance Guy. We know this. His appointments were CRONIES. The difference is, his appointments and the actions of the Trump Administration worldwide were still much more his OWN than is the case now or would likely be under another Democrat. Where you have the CFR and WEF directing policy today, you had Zionists directing policy under Trump.. but they are still of the conservative strain. They respect religion and tradition much more than the Democrats. They support gun rights and practical diplomacy more, for example when Trump would consult Kissinger, it's an example of how Kissinger's advice to stop the war in Ukraine is no longer relevant to the decision makers -- but they would be relevant for Trump.

The primary negatives for Trump come from his circle itself, and Kushner who has another agenda we don't really trust. Still, Trump has good bones. We don't know all the details about why he helped kill Solemani, or took the blame for it. I don't think he should have killed the Iran Deal JCPOA, or gone after Assange, and said Snowden was a traitor, or blessed the mRNA vaccines, or let the Russian treaties expire, didn't fight sanctions, etc. There is more, like appointing a Monstanto exec into Fish & Wildlife, allowing GMO crops to be grown in wildlife reserves, and so on. There's a lot of this and I can't repeat all the complaints I made from 2016-2020. He could have gone after the Democrat governors that refused to comply with Federal Law regarding illegals.

His spending was through the roof. He promised Blacks Only the Platinum Plan, a handout on race. But we knew it wouldn't pass a GOP Senate. We knew it was politically motivated. With Democrats, we see Reparations, Universal Basic Income, Unlimited Immigration, and Sexual Perversion being taught to children as natural. We have Roe v. Wade overturned because of him. We still have gun rights because of Republicans. We were holding back the insane structural plans that the Progressives have in store for us all. And in the end, you know we could trust Donald Trump more than the Democrats when push comes to shove-- not only because of HIM, but because of HIS BASE -- dyed in the wool traditional Americans.

Basically, we have to prefer Trump or any other GOP candidate beats the Democrat. It is what it has been for decades. Then, we have to hope he doesn't let Israel drag us into a war vs. Iran, Syria, and Lebanon which at this point could also trigger China and Russia. One thing the world appreciated about Trump is this hands-on approach that provided a sense of stability and accountability we no longer possess.

You can vote 3rd Party but unless that person is polling above 10%, I don't think you should but I did it many times and respect it, but that's how we got two terms of Bill Clinton, since then, the appetite for backing a 3rd Party has fallen because we know what the results are - that Progressive Democrat base of 40%-45% overcomes the GOP. When the GOP loses, we have nobody left to represent us. I'm not saying the GOP truly does represent us, but they are all we have left.

This is what Ron and Rand realized to be true.
It's why, after Ross Perot, a 3rd Party has no chance. Half your country is socialist and progressive. The only hope we have is to try to morph the GOP into what it should be, from within. There is no viable alternative.
 
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Trump proved that ANYBODY can win.

Hopefully the next guy ain’t a crook like Donny
 
That was congress, and Trump vetoed the last NDAA to prove it.
They overrode the veto just as they would have for every other bill people wanted him to veto instead of negotiating.

Trump reduced the size and scope of government everywhere he could.

Do you have a link for that?

According to this Trump did not veto ANY spending bills.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/vetoes/TrumpDJ.htm

Do you think we'd be having inflation if Trump was still president?
 
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