If today's Bloomberg GOP Poll were deciding: Rand would be in the debates

[eleganz]

All the knee jerk fear mongers can chillax, none of the serious pollsters has Rand polling at 0.8%, ok...?

So far the three polls that were included from the past few days, to be in Fox's finally tally were polling Rand around 4-6%. Bloomberg today (5%), Fox, and another are due to release polls today and that will wrap up the final 10. Only a freak scenario (or really shitty polling methods from the last two pollsters) would keep Rand away from the debates at this point.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...republican-field-in-pre-debate-bloomberg-poll

Here are the other polls that Fox will be averaging for the final 10:


NBC/WSJ
Rand @ 6.4%
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-surges-new-nbc-news-wsj-poll-n402036



Quinnipiac
Rand @ 6%
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264



Monmouth
Rand @ 4.4%
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32...1087/67f674c8-fd4a-4a93-afbc-8b246a83da56.pdf



Fox
Rand @ 5%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/03/fox-news-poll-new-high-for-trump-new-low-for-clinton/



CBS/NYT
Rand @ 4%
http://www.scribd.com/doc/273490309/CBS-News-GOP-presidential-candidates-poll

 

[Brett85]

He'll make the debates, but I never would've guessed that his poll numbers would've dropped that low.

 

[LawnWake]

Yeah, Rand's polling has really dropped. Rand may have misinterpreted his appeal. It's not that he was the Republican with the biggest tent, he was the one without a tent. And that's what made him attractive. Then he started to wanna specifically build a tent that includes both moderates/indies/liberals and hawks, forging different types of language to appeal to different voterbases and people stopped showing interest.

He can recover, but I think he took his strategy in the wrong direction.

 

[CPUd]

Here is a CBS with Rand #8: http://www.scribd.com/doc/273490309/CBS-News-GOP-presidential-candidates-poll

 

[Brett85]

Here is a CBS with Rand #8: http://www.scribd.com/doc/273490309/CBS-News-GOP-presidential-candidates-poll

That poll had Rand at 8% with those who have him as their second choice. Actually good news there.

 

[KingNothing]

Yeah, Rand's polling has really dropped. Rand may have misinterpreted his appeal. It's not that he was the Republican with the biggest tent, he was the one without a tent. And that's what made him attractive. Then he started to wanna specifically build a tent that includes both moderates/indies/liberals and hawks, forging different types of language to appeal to different voterbases and people stopped showing interest.

He can recover, but I think he took his strategy in the wrong direction.

I don't know if it is that as much as it is Trump just mucking everything up.

 

[Tinnuhana]

Trump = Herman Cain minus the charming references to manga/anime and video games?

 

[LawnWake]

I don't know if it is that as much as it is Trump just mucking everything up.

Possibly, I'm not too convinced of my hypothesis, but it's definitely a thought that's floating around. I'm hopeful for the debates.

 

[William Tell]

[h=2]If today's Bloomberg GOP Poll were deciding: Rand would be in the debates[/h]

All the knee jerk fear mongers can chillax, none of the serious pollsters has Rand polling at 0.8%, ok...?
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Unfortunately the fact that you felt the need to use this headline implies that Rand is in deep trouble. Rand will be in the debate, no question, there is no need to discuss it.

Rand is not polling as high as he was a few months ago, but that's true of basically all the candidates except Trump and maybe Kasich.

 

[eleganz]

Unfortunately the fact that you felt the need to use this headline implies that Rand is in deep trouble. Rand will be in the debate, no question, there is no need to discuss it.

Rand is not polling as high as he was a few months ago, but that's true of basically all the candidates except Trump and maybe Kasich.

The fact that I need to use this headline only points to the very obvious; there are some extremely weak RPF'ers who need to learn that not everything is so dire. It would be better to get some tougher skin because this is only the beginning of the race. The little "Rand Paul has stalled" tactics were just the start and all of the 'movementarians' that fell for it, and those parroting that 'Teh Donald' sucked up all of the oxygen out of the room, some even saying its all over and telling Rand to do desperate things like personally attack Trump.

I mean, come on...right?

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Yeah, Rand's polling has really dropped. Rand may have misinterpreted his appeal. It's not that he was the Republican with the biggest tent, he was the one without a tent. And that's what made him attractive. Then he started to wanna specifically build a tent that includes both moderates/indies/liberals and hawks, forging different types of language to appeal to different voterbases and people stopped showing interest.

He can recover, but I think he took his strategy in the wrong direction.

Possibly, I'm not too convinced of my hypothesis, but it's definitely a thought that's floating around. I'm hopeful for the debates.

No, I think you're right. Many people have said Rand is running a general election campaign, where a "big tent" strategy works. But he needs to drop the messages that appeal to liberals and focus on what works for fiscal and constitutional conservatives. He's turning off a lot of Republicans by trying to win over those outside the party.

 

[Jackie Moon]

I don't know if it is that as much as it is Trump just mucking everything up.

I agree. The numbers are all skewed with Trump in there. I'm still unsure whether he's even seriously running, but either way I think it's likely he won't be there too long.

Plus having 17 candidates, "uncommited", and "not sure" spreads the numbers thin. 19% in this poll had no first choice. That's a pretty large chunk to be distributed as time passes and candidates drop out.

 

[rich34]

He'll make the debates, but I never would've guessed that his poll numbers would've dropped that low.

Well, when you only include 5% from the 18 to 34 year old demographic I suppose it's a no brainer. Truth be told his numbers haven't fallen, it's just the pollsters are using tricks and manipulation tactics to push his numbers down. This is good and bad. It's bad for now giving the perception that he's not a "winner" and you know everybody has to vote for the winner, but once the BS tactics in the methodology is corrected, Rand will have the appearance that he is surging! So it's extremely important that Rand's base can keep donating time and money to his cause because we know for a FACT that his "surging" moment is coming! Come on guy's, you folks with more clout than I have, please setup a legit money bomb date that we all can get behind and lets give Rand the money he's going to need to sustain his surge and fight off the attacks that are no doubt going to keep coming his way. Rand is trying to win over just enough traditional conservatives to push him over the top in Iowa and NH. If he can maintain the amount of supporters Ron had in Iowa while adding just a few more, he can very easily win Iowa, but not if everyone is going to jump ship.. Hell there's nobody else out there that's remotely as good as Rand. Come on guys, do you not remember all the cheap dirty tactics they used against Ron to prevent his polling numbers from rising?? Not counting his votes when people would select his number on the phone by abruptly hanging up, and even giving his votes to someone else. With Rand it seems to be they're acting as if only 5% of the 18 to 34 year old crowd is going to make up the total on election night. This will change, just like it did for Ron when he surged in November of 2011. Hang in there please and in the mean time lets get a legit money bomb setup for Rand that will turn some heads! Josh Lowery, Matt Collins come on guys!! Lets get a legit grassroots money bomb started and try to break the single day total of what Ron did. What 6.5 million? Come on guys, this thing is far from over!! I didn't hear no bell, get up you sons a bitches, cause Rich loves ya! Alright, I stole that from Rocky, but seriously lets light a fire under some asses!!