If RP is all about liberty then why let others dictate your views on gay or abortion?

[Benaiah]

Here is a video of why he probably doesn't like abortion
(click PLAY) http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html

 

[Benaiah]

Uh, I think you still have a lot of growing up to do. No contraceptive is 100% effective. Also, many women who choose abortion did not have a choice because they were raped.

MANY? Ummmmm, no. Try less than 1%. It's almost non existent.

 

[Vaughn]

MANY? Ummmmm, no. Try less than 1%. It's almost non existent.

I am pro-life but I have been witness to two instances where someone close to me had to get an abortion due to medical reasons. My bosses daughter discovered that her twins were severely conjoined and shared a single heart. Worst off the heart only had one ventricle which means they would not have lived long. She made the decision to have the abortion and I agree with her decision. There was no reason to make those lives suffer tremendous pain for a week out of some principle.

 

[Richandler]

DuH!

- Women who use contraceptives should know they are not 100% thus have accepted that possibility before using them

ex. Just cause I know chances are I'm ognna lose the lottery doesn't mean Ignore the minute possibility I might win

So that's a faulty argument

- Rape is a violation of autonomy, and in that case I think most people on both sides can justify it, though I think most people would encourage exploring alternatives in any situation before deciding to have an abortion



I'm pro-autonomy, but in most cases, autonomous decisions were already made before the pregnancy and no your just asking to not have personal responisbility



As for the humans reaching maximimum capacity, any study of geology shows that geological event will occur to balance things out. We've already seen this begun, trust me nature will make sure there isn't too many people

Nature is like a free market, leave it alone and it takes care of itself.

If you can give ten examples of people being raped or using contraceptive and getting pregnant your argument is valid. But I have never met a person ever who said they got pregnant when they properly used a condom. Because it doesn't happen. Not only that but there is a time of month too in case you didn't know that is required before pregnancy. I know people who were together for 20 years and never got pregnant till they wanted too, because they were responsibile people.

Now I live in California and know full well that the current laws would stay inact so instead I reserve the right to part take in the name calling of any irresponsible adult.

 

[AlexMerced]

I am pro-life but I have been witness to two instances where someone close to me had to get an abortion due to medical reasons. My bosses daughter discovered that her twins were severely conjoined and shared a single heart. Worst off the heart only had one ventricle which means they would not have lived long. She made the decision to have the abortion and I agree with her decision. There was no reason to make those lives suffer tremendous pain for a week out of some principle.

I think everyone on both sides agree with that, on those rare unqiue situations everyone is ok, where the contestation is is priarily in causal abortion for irresponsible bahavior.

People who have medical issues, got raped, have fetuses with complications, etc. don't fit into this, we're talking about 22 year who who use condoms 50% of the time or the person who condom broke. they know what they were getting into, and they still have property rights, cause you body is your property, but the child has the same rights, reconciling this is difficult and should not be a federal issues which we all agree.

 

[AlexMerced]

If you can give ten examples of people being raped or using contraceptive and getting pregnant your argument is valid. But I have never met a person ever who said they got pregnant when they properly used a condom. Because it doesn't happen. Not only that but there is a time of month too in case you didn't know that is required before pregnancy. I know people who were together for 20 years and never got pregnant till they wanted too, because they were responsibile people.

Now I live in California and know full well that the current laws would stay inact so instead I reserve the right to part take in the name calling of any irresponsible adult.

why did you quote my argument, I iwas arguing your point of view, I agree with you totally

 

[dircha]

Might help to mention that 70% of Americans say they are pro-choice.So i say let the people vote.

This is not true.

Much depends on how you ask the question. Asking whether someone identifies as pro-life or pro-choice is not useful because these are loaded terms.

In fact, 57% of Americans say that abortion should be ILLEGAL when done to end an unwanted pregnancy when there are no extenuating circumstances, which accounts for the vast majority of abortions performed today.

On the other hand, Americans very strongly support the right to choose abortion when there are extenuating circumstances such as rape, or when the mother's well being is at risk. These account for a small fractions of abortions performed.

To summarize, a majority of Americans believe that the vast majority of abortions performed in this country today should be illegal, and they overwhelmingly oppose 3rd trimester abortions.

 

[Meatwasp]

Those People Who Are Pro Choice Only If They Are Not In The Womb

 

[mjt]

Amen Meatwasp!

 

[Benaiah]

All of these issues of rape, incest and abortions to save the mother's life are secondary. The first issue is whether or not abortion is murder. IF performing an abortion is murder, than none of the other issues matter. Because if abortion is truly murder, than it would be no different for me to shoot my 3-year-old in the head because hes an inconvenience to my life.

Most states define life at implantation.

 

[AlexMerced]

This is not true.

Much depends on how you ask the question. Asking whether someone identifies as pro-life or pro-choice is not useful because these are loaded terms.

In fact, 57% of Americans say that abortion should be ILLEGAL when done to end an unwanted pregnancy when there are no extenuating circumstances, which accounts for the vast majority of abortions performed today.

On the other hand, Americans very strongly support the right to choose abortion when there are extenuating circumstances such as rape, or when the mother's well being is at risk. These account for a small fractions of abortions performed.

To summarize, a majority of Americans believe that the vast majority of abortions performed in this country today should be illegal, and they overwhelmingly oppose 3rd trimester abortions.

This a very fair compromise that takes both partis rights and precedence into consideration, yet both sides are so all illegal are all legal. I don't even care that much, I feel this issue ruins elections.

 

[mjt]

Life is not important if you are a Neocon! Look at Iraq for bush and Bosnia for Clinton!!!!

 

[born2drv]

you don't need to transfer it to another women. Modern medince can keep a preemy alive at 1lb, and at 2lb the survival rate is above 90%.

I know all this because my wife is 33 weeks pregnant, and our daugher just passed 3lbs.

This is a very good point. If the woman does not wish to have the child, let her carry it until it's 3-4lb then deliver and give it to an adoption agency.

I think it's the desire of the woman to say she's "never had a child" and in her mind the life was aborted therefor never existed and so they feel better I guess? I think it's more of a psychological reason they wish to abort rather then a social/economic one, because they can always give the baby up for adoption after they deliver.

 

[Vvick727]

simple, the 10th amendment.

 

[Fox McCloud]

This is a very good point. If the woman does not wish to have the child, let her carry it until it's 3-4lb then deliver and give it to an adoption agency.

I think it's the desire of the woman to say she's "never had a child" and in her mind the life was aborted therefor never existed and so they feel better I guess? I think it's more of a psychological reason they wish to abort rather then a social/economic one, because they can always give the baby up for adoption after they deliver.

it's rather interesting to note that many women to get abortions develop mental/psychological problems later on in life...

Either way, the reason why Ron Paul has the stances he does is because he personally thinks marriage is between a man and a women, and because he personally thinks that life exists at conception, and that if you do anything to harm/kill it...it's murder.

 

[LizF]

oh and for those are interested. RP takes crap from pro-life groups for support of RU486 (day after pill) and the birth control pill. He believes human life begins at conception, but he is on the record he is fine with a state definition of 'heartbeat & brainwaves' (where my personal opinion is).

This country does need protect the lives of the 4-9 months old fetus. It is shameful that it is still legal to kill a 6lb person.

Do you have a source for the RU486 claim? I believe that is incorrect.

My recollection from the Nashua Telegraph interview was that RP was referring to the Morning After Pill.

Forms of EC include:

* Emergency contraceptive pills (ECPs)—sometimes simply referred to as emergency contraceptives (ECs) or the "morning-after pill"—are drugs that act both to prevent ovulation or fertilization and possibly post-fertilization implantation of a blastocyst (embryo). ECPs are distinct from medical abortion methods that act after implantation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_contraception



This is not the same as the abortion pill (RU486), which terminates an existing pregnancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RU486