"If Paul forces want 'nuclear war' over reducing caucuses, let's have it"

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It's on folks. Time to get organized!

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Tucked in near the end of the 97-page report, formally known as The Growth and Opportunity Project, are less than four pages that amount to a political bombshell: the five-member panel urges halving the number of presidential primary debates in 2016 from 2012, creating a regional primary cluster after the traditional early states and holding primaries rather than caucuses or conventions.

Each of those steps would benefit a deep-pocketed candidate in the mold of Mitt Romney. That is, someone who doesn’t need the benefit of televised debates to get attention because he or she can afford TV ads; has the cash to air commercials and do other forms of voter contact in multiple big states at one time; and has more appeal with a broader swath of voters than the sort of ideologically-driven activists who typically attend caucuses and conventions.

The recommendations are also a nod to the party’s donor class. Several donors bluntly told RNC Chair Reince Priebus at meetings right after the election that they wanted Iowa, with its more conservative base, to have less of a role in the process.

Reaction was swift. Allies of potential 2016 hopefuls Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and former Sen. Rick Santorum, sensing a power play by the establishment-dominated panel, reacted angrily to recommendations they think are aimed at hurting candidates who do well in caucuses and conventions and need debates to get attention.

“Caucuses give you a better glimpse of what the base of the party wants,” said Iowa GOP Chair A.J. Spiker, who hails from the Paul wing of the party. “And those people, they aren’t going to be swayed as easily by television ads as a primary voter. They’re a more politically educated voter.”

Spiker added that an “attempt to get rid of that is really an attempt to get rid of what the base of the party wants. I think RNC membership would object to that too.”

A close Paul adviser was even blunter, warning the party against pushing primaries rather than caucuses.

“Elimination of caucuses would mean nuclear war with the grassroots, social conservatives and [the] Ron Paul movement,” said this Republican.

Bring it on, said some GOP leaders. “If Paul forces want ‘nuclear war’ over reducing [the number] of caucuses, let’s have it,” tweeted longtime GOP strategist Mike Murphy. “[The] key to [a] stronger party is more open primaries.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=8E184271-A2A9-4810-9CC2-DAEA87F2CD9D
 
The RNC want to eliminate caucuses and have a "regional cluster super-Tuesday"

I think this is an attempt to change the rules to stop Rand and shove someone like Bush down our throats.

Hopefully Iowa will not allow their caucus to be eliminated and Spiker will stand up against this power grab.

I can't see them getting away with it. There will be uproar in Iowa if they try and touch their First in the Nation caucus.
 
The RNC want to eliminate caucuses and have a "regional cluster super-Tuesday"

I think this is an attempt to change the rules to stop Rand and shove someone like Bush down our throats.

Hopefully Iowa will not allow their caucus to be eliminated and Spiker will stand up against this power grab.

Not that Pollsters ever ask this question but, in my experience, people who are NOT "playing the game" mainly agree that tiny Iowa has too MUCH influence/power. The "last" 40-45 states almost don't count.


I can't see them getting away with it. There will be uproar in Iowa if they try and touch their First in the Nation caucus.

I think there will NOT be an uproar in at least 40 states.
 
I think open primaries may be "better" than caucuses.

We need to actually think about this and consider what is actually best, not just what is best for us at the moment.
 
I think open primaries may be "better" than caucuses.

We need to actually think about this and consider what is actually best, not just what is best for us at the moment.
at the Louisiana caucus, I got to see them count the votes. paper ballots.
In the primary, I don't get to see the vote counting, its all electronic, no receipt.
i'll take the caucus please.

plus, uninform voters have a hard time making a caucus because it requires they be knowledgeable about what is happening politically. that is a good thing. empty commercials about fake promises won't sway a caucus voter.
 
at the Louisiana caucus, I got to see them count the votes. paper ballots.
In the primary, I don't get to see the vote counting, its all electronic, no receipt.
i'll take the caucus please.

plus, uninform voters have a hard time making a caucus because it requires they be knowledgeable about what is happening politically. that is a good thing. empty commercials about fake promises won't sway a caucus voter.
Amen to that!
 
Not that Pollsters ever ask this question but, in my experience, people who are NOT "playing the game" mainly agree that tiny Iowa has too MUCH influence/power. The "last" 40-45 states almost don't count.




I think there will NOT be an uproar in at least 40 states.

It's fine how it is, the whole country does not need a say at the same time. Iowa is a great bellweather state and a caucus which allows small players to gain some momentum and support by working the state and getting their supporters to show up. The NH primary is VERY difficult to win and Romney basically bought it. We don't need NH type primary all over the country. It would only allow people like Romney to win i.e well financed, flip floppers and establishmentarians... that's why they want to change it!
 
Louisiana has both a primary and caucus, with the caucus carrying a lil' more weight because delegates for nationals are selected by the delegates elected at caucus.
 
son of a bitch!!!! its starting again!. this shit has to be stopped now. wtf do we do for real?? educating the masses doesnt work, emails to editors dont work, catching them cheat on film doesnt work. wtf is left??
 
AND they will CHEAT...again

AND they will LOOSE...again

their control of the opposition party is complete.

we are in for the struggle of our time

SO START STRUGGLIN' WACKO BIRDS!
 
I listened to the start of Mikey Medved's show today, and he was making the case for doing away with caucuses. The Medveds of the world would love to put the primaries in the hands of the uninformed and easily manipulated.

(I really can't stand that guy)
 
Most of these proposals don't sound good at all. I hope that the grassroots can put pressure on these people to at least reject the idea of doing away with caucuses.
 
Are they going to try to ban independents from voting in these primaries as well? That would really hurt Rand if that happened.
 
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