If No Ron Paul Nomination - Obama Gets a Second Term

[Working Poor]

IMO the GOP would rather see Obama win than Ron Paul

 

[Philhelm]

If ron paul doesn't get the nomination i hope obama wins just to spite the stupid republicans they don't deserve to win for putting up more of the same garbage.

I'm feeling the same way. As much as I hate Obama, it irks me that people think that replacing him will solve everything. Also, it would probably be better to endure Obama for four more years than some other shitbag like Newt or Romney for (most likely) eight. If Obama wins again, we could at least consider putting another liberty candidate in the race for 2016 (hint: Hannity likes him and he's...like a son to Ron).

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

Ditto. All those thing imply responsibility and some degree of morality-scary to a lot of people (especially the personal responsibility part).

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ditto. All those thing imply responsibility and some degree of morality-scary to a lot of people (especially the personal responsibility part).

Thanks.

I was waiting for someone to pull the "hypocrite card" as I often make comments about unbridled prosperity.

Of course I have nothing against prosperity, but when endless, mindless consumption, strictly for consumption's sake, is used as an anodyne to dull the pain of lost liberty and blind you to what is happening all around you, then I have do an issue with it.

Especially when it's "false prosperity" bought on bad credit, worse money and inflating bubbles.

 

[showpan]

An Obama win is a Bush 4th term.

 

[Philhelm]

An Obama win is a Bush 4th term.

Anyone but Paul is essentially a Bush 4th term, for the most part.

 

[Cleaner44]

No One But PAUL!

 

[newbitech]

Voting for anyone but Paul is basically telling "the troops" to fuck off. Am I wrong?

I want war to end. I want lies to end. I want government expansion to end.

The only way any of that happens, and the only way to honor the sacrifice that every single American has made since 9/11 is to put a man in the office who represents the bedrock foundation of our country.

 

[ronpaulitician]

1. Paul
2. Johnson
3. Obama
4. Gingrich/Romney

 

[Lothario]

If Obama wins again, we could at least consider putting another liberty candidate in the race for 2016 (hint: Hannity likes him and he's...like a son to Ron).

For me, there is no next time. If Ron Paul isn't in the White House, all of my time, energy and resources will be devoted to voluntaryism and the complete elimination of government. I will never again validate their system by voting in hopes of having another man give me permission to exercise the rights that are inherently mine by virtue of my own humanity. Everytime we ask them for permission, the fundamentally immoral system of government is validated. The game of politics (and authority), as Larken Rose put it, is the most dangerous superstition ever created on earth. Ron Paul is the last straw for me - after this election, I will permanently abandon the game of politics, and I will never again be a co-conspirator in perpetuating that myth. In 4 years, I won't care who the candidates are, or how "liberty-minded" any one of them is - any supporter of government will become my enemy, just as anyone on the street is who supports the initiation of force, threats and violence against me.

Sorry to be so callous - but I'm done with the charades. The mythical system that gives Newt Gingrich the facade of value cannot be allowed to exist any longer.

 

[anaconda]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

Romney has polled ahead of Obama in multiple polls. Let's not forget that there is a large anti-Obama psychology across the land.

 

[american.swan]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

I think so. The average American needs money and a job to get it to them. That will happen under Paul. Not under Obama or anyone else.

 

[anaconda]

IMO the GOP would rather see Obama win than Ron Paul

For sure.

 

[mikeforliberty]

Kylie, it's not a fuck you.

It's math.

Ron Paul has the best selling points to beat Obama.

No other GOP candidate will be able to pull in Independents and Democrats like Ron Paul.

That's how you defeat an encumbant. You offer something different.

Drug policy, monetary policy, and foreign policy. Those are the big three. Liberty, prosperity, and peace.

Paul or bust.

lol its not math for kylie its:

dead friggin serious

It is for me too Kylie I've only been a voter for 5 years and a Republican for all of it. I keep being told that I'm not a conservative because I don't support the endless wars, the Patriot Act, and I don't care if gays want to get married or not. Message received. If Newt or Romney are conservatives but Ron Paul isn't then I'm not either and I'll register Independent and spend the rest of my days throwing my vote away. I think there are a lot of 18-30 year olds of conservative parents saying the same thing as me now days. The Republican party will either embrace us and change their ways or they will grow smaller and smaller as they die off and the libertarian vote swells.

 

[dillo]

honestly if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination and Obama gets reelected I think it would be better than if Newt, or Mitt were president

-Enough people are pissed and the senate is going to be deadlocked, the house will have a republican majority
-Wont be able to pass a bunch of bullshit, economy will recover by itself
-Good until the next bubble bursts

 

[KingRobbStark]

Ron Paul or go home. Simple as that.

 

[bolidew]

Everyone know McCain was not the best against Obama but GOP nominated him anyway.

Math doesn't work magic in politics.

 

[bolidew]

Ron Paul or go home. Simple as that.

Nothing wrong about it, as long as yourself can take the "intended" consequence.

 

[wyldstallynz]

honestly if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination and Obama gets reelected I think it would be better than if Newt, or Mitt were president

-Enough people are pissed and the senate is going to be deadlocked, the house will have a republican majority
-Wont be able to pass a bunch of bullshit, economy will recover by itself
-Good until the next bubble bursts

This

In my eyes, and other peoples too, there is essentially no difference between the likes of Obama, Gingrich, Perry, or Romney. If blow hard, ignorant republicans are dumb enough to think that some big government socialist with an R beneath his name is an impovement over Obama, then why half ass it??? Go ahead and go full retard with the big government socialist with a D under his name. At least if Congress ends up being largely Republican, there could be deadlock between them and a dem president. A republican Congress would just be cheerleaders for a republican president that pushes for big govt/ socialism.

 

[newbitech]

what is interesting to me is that we essentially had the same set of circumstances occur in 2008. Ron Paul was the only candidate from either party running as a conservative.

Of course, the big fear then was that Obama was so weak on foreign policy, the war on terror, blame America first, negotiating with enemies, etc etc..

In 2008, the GOP lurched and decided that the primary campaigns would be all about who could seem like the biggest bully with the excuse that America needed to stay the course, remain vigilant, honor the sacrifices of and protect the troops.

Of course, all the while America was saying, it's the economy stupid! Unfortunately, the party line core GOP base had the same attitude that war at any cost was in the best interest of America. Those folks were sold hook line and sinker that the path to prosperity was to create huge freedom stealing bureaucracies like DHS/TSA via the patriot act, and expand the war effort through various surges and expeditionary campaigns that surrounded Iran.

Everyone knew in 2008 that the idea of replacing Bush with another GOP status quo stereotypical candidate was not going to happen. Yet the GOP and the people running trotted out that exact type of message, except for our candidate, Dr. Paul.

This was not by mistake IMO, this was designed. We knew that Dr. Paul had the same message that the majority of American's THOUGHT they were electing when they punched Obama's ticket. WE ALSO KNEW that only Dr. Paul would deliver on that message and that in reality, Mr. Obama was the same status quo stereotypical candidate that the majority feared handing over power too.

In 2010, it was pretty clear that America had already realized they were tricked. The focus quickly turned to the economy as the aftermath of the 2007 economic disaster started to be realized. Those shock waves ripped through the first half of Mr. Obama's term, and low and behold, here comes the GOP again tooting a different horn.

The trickery of the America body politic continues as it has for decades. The soothsayers and snake oil salesman cannot come up with original ideas any more. Demand for their product is dwindling, but is still strong enough to fund their ever more invasive, deceptive, violent, and corrupted schemes to help them gorge on the minds of their countrymen for a few more months.

The country is faced with the same dilemma, in fact core GOP party base voters are pressed even more to realize their mistake in 2008. Will these voters and people who call themselves independent American's continue to flip and flop around like fish out of water? Will these folks, our friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family continue to remain willfully ignorant of, and smugly uninterested in the people who have the power to change their lives over night?

I hope not.

The message that Ron Paul brings is gathering momentum. The idea that Ron Paul can win is not strange to people unless those people are still in their fox holes hiding from 9/11 terrorists.

Those people will come out to vote and it is likely that the propaganda that is keeping them from pulling their heads out of the sand will also keep them from embracing those ideas.

So my conclusion. If Ron Paul's ideas are not embraced by the vast majority of people in this country, it doesn't matter WHO wins the election.

I said last time around that if Ron Paul didn't get the GOP nod, then I'd rather see Obama win, so that the GOP would be taught a lesson. I don't think that worked out too well. I'll say the same thing this time. If Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination, I HOPE that Obama wins.

And not because I think Obama is better that whoever gets up there. THEY WILL BE THE SAME RESULTS. I just hope that more of the fence sitters will fall over to Ron Paul's ideas, and more hard core war monger types (like I was) will get up on the fence.