If No Ron Paul Nomination - Obama Gets a Second Term

[Lothario]

This is a very real threat, and I know it's been said before, but it's just pure mathematics. If Ron Paul is not the Republican nominee, he will have perhaps the largest ballot write-in in history...write-ins from eligible voters whom the GOP desperately needs for any hope at defeating Obama. Of course, this is not to mention the recent polls that show Obama is handily defeating every GOP candidate in a hypothetical matchup - except for Ron Paul who is currently tied with him.

I think this threat must reach the top of headlines - knowledge of this threat must be at the forefront of the average voters mind.

Obama is mathematically guaranteed re-election if Ron Paul is not the GOP nominee.

I've personally made the threat to neocons - saying I cannot compromise principles and morality, and I apologize, but if Ron Paul is not the GOP candidate, Obama will absolutely get a second term, because I will not, nor will millions of others ever support any alternative to Ron Paul. It's a predicament you must logically consider when you go to the ballot box.

What can we do as a collective movement to instill this threat?

 

[Anti Federalist]

No One But Paul

 

[Xenophage]

It's not just us, man. Ron Paul does best with independents. He polls even with Obama and everyone else loses to Obama. It should be clear to anybody that has a clue that Ron Paul is the most popular American politician right now and would win a huge victory over Obama and outflank him on every issue.

No other candidate can beat Obama, that's a simple fact.

 

[Xenophage]

I wish I knew how to communicate this better to the average voter. Call in to talk shows and make this point. Post it on forum threads.

 

[Xenophage]

WHATEVER YOU DO: DO NOT *THREATEN* GOP VOTERS by saying "We're only going to vote Paul" because they will take it as a big "FUCK YOU."

Simply state facts and polling data. Paul does BEST with independents, and has the BEST shot at beating Obama. Nobody else has a chance.

 

[Lothario]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

 

[Kylie]

It could be seen as a "FUCK YOU" because that's precisely what it is.

I became a republican SOLELY for Ron Paul. I will not vote for any of the others, not bacause I worship RP, but because he is the only one who holds the same priciples as I. He happens to be running on the republican ticket, and that is the sole reason for me going in that direction. I am not alone in this, and I am not the only one who will abandon the repubs if they decide to nominate someone other than Paul.

Is it a threat? You bet your ass it is. We are all in this time, because this is the end game. If he does not get elected, I have a feeling we wont get another election. So I'm betting the farm on this one.

Your with us, or we disappear from your roster. We will not fold, and you cant call our bluff.....cause we arent bluffing. We are dead friggin serious.

 

[JoshLowry]

Kylie, it's not a fuck you.

It's math.

Ron Paul has the best selling points to beat Obama.

No other GOP candidate will be able to pull in Independents and Democrats like Ron Paul.

That's how you defeat an encumbant. You offer something different.

Drug policy, monetary policy, and foreign policy. Those are the big three. Liberty, prosperity, and peace.

Paul or bust.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Liberty, prosperity, and peace

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

 

[Tod]

How about instead of personalizing it, just pointing out that many, maybe most Paul supporters would probably either write him in or not vote and many Independents and Blue Republicans would probably vote for Obama if Paul were not the nominee, and as a consequence, Paul has THE BEST chance of defeating Obama. Don't reveal what YOU would do.

 

[Kylie]

Oh, but they do take it as an FU. Theyve told me as much. Tow the line, play the game, and we will dangle this carrot out in front of you all while we destroy the country. I take that as an affront to my sensabilities. I am not an imbecile. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

I will not play their game, and if that means giving them a middle finger in the form of a write in vote for RP, then so be it. I will not vote for evil, even when it is the lessor of two.

Im all in for RP. What they do with that is their business.

 

[Tod]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

Sadly, you are probably right on at least the Liberty part of it. Prosperity is probably pretty popular as long as it is in the form of a handout or doesn't require too much work. Peace is probably a mixed bag; trouble is, the war is too far removed from many people for them to be too concerned about it.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

It's no longer "we must not threaten the GOP." They must no longer threaten US. A revolution means the current order is to be replaced by a different one. We aren't going to replace the establishment if we keep cowering, especially if they are still belt-whipping us. The point of saying "or Obama gets a second term" is to interest the rank and file voters still duped by the two party paradigm.

The actual reality is that both we, and the party leaders know the puppet show is a fiction, it doesn't matter whether Barry or Newt-Romney win, we'll get the same drug war, fed debt, and empire regardless. But to change the political scenery, we must learn to cause the establishment pain. IF the plan was to replace the Obama puppet with a Republican one, let's upset that apple cart. Do we really want Newt for 8 years?

 

[Dianne]

Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

A way to strike a nerve with millions is to remind them that Gingrich is responsible for the housing bubble and the 9 to 10 million homes that have been forclosed. But he got is 1.6 million in blood money.

No one but Paul !!

 

[Xenophage]

Oh, but they do take it as an FU. Theyve told me as much. Tow the line, play the game, and we will dangle this carrot out in front of you all while we destroy the country. I take that as an affront to my sensabilities. I am not an imbecile. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

I will not play their game, and if that means giving them a middle finger in the form of a write in vote for RP, then so be it. I will not vote for evil, even when it is the lessor of two.

Im all in for RP. What they do with that is their business.

Sigh.

They'll take that FU and throw it right back at you by refusing to support Paul, guaranteeing the scenario you're talking about. Is that your goal, to ensure us a loss? Remember that most people are not rational, and it's hard enough to get them to act rationally without telling them to fuck off. LOL!

You're either ruled by your emotions or you're going to play smart to win.

Do not make them think we're spiting the republican party. Simply bring up the facts. Ron Paul can beat Obama, but everyone else is virtually guaranteed to lose.

 

[Seraphim]

This is exactly why Gingrich is the media darling. TPTB want Gingrich to win the nomination...so that Obama and the Dems can maul the hell out of the Repub ticket.

Paul is the only one who is different...and KNOWS what's up. Obama would go TIGHT with Ron Paul. It would be the real world version of Rocky vs Apollo Creed.

Obama SLAUGHTERS just about every other Repub potential.

Have you noticed how OBSCENELY fast the last few Presidents have aged? I mean, DURING their Presidency. Look at Bush in 2000 and then 2008. 8 years he appears to have aged nearly 2 decades. Obama? 3 years in and has sprouted greys like weeds, looks like he's aged almost a decade in 3 years.

The Fascist Dictatorship is wearing itself out.

Paul is the PERFECT choice. For everyone, except a few Shit Hawks.

Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

A way to strike a nerve with millions is to remind them that Gingrich is responsible for the housing bubble and the 9 to 10 million homes that have been forclosed. But he got is 1.6 million in blood money.

No one but Paul !!

 

[unknown]

No question.

Ron Paul has solid double digit support. Once a person is exposed to Ron Paul, most people dont measure up let alone politicians. Dont see how these people could vote for Obama or one of his clones in Newt or Mitt.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

And the media that trips over itself to promote Newt will turn on a dime were he to get the nomination. I look forward to replays of that Connie Chung interview with Newt's parents (re: Newt thinking Hillary is a bitch and now she is more popular than Obama and Bill C himself did better than Obama or the Bushes). That will go over really well .

 

[PreDeadMan]

If ron paul doesn't get the nomination i hope obama wins just to spite the stupid republicans they don't deserve to win for putting up more of the same garbage.

 

[Kylie]

Sigh.

They'll take that FU and throw it right back at you by refusing to support Paul, guaranteeing the scenario you're talking about. Is that your goal, to ensure us a loss? Remember that most people are not rational, and it's hard enough to get them to act rationally without telling them to fuck off. LOL!

You're either ruled by your emotions or you're going to play smart to win.

Do not make them think we're spiting the republican party. Simply bring up the facts. Ron Paul can beat Obama, but everyone else is virtually guaranteed to lose.

I get what youre saying. And thats why i dont run for office and most of the time dont open my mouth. I am terribly crass, and have been playing their game for twenty years.

Now, well now, their not just fucking with my future, but theyre fucking with my childrens. I dont take kindly or play nice with people who screw with my kids. I am a mom, and we tend to get emotional when it comes to our babies. So you go be the nice guy and try to reason with them, and when it doesnt work, then come get me and ill unleash hell on their asses.

Work for you?