If I'm Antiwar Should I Join The Marine Corp

If I'm Antiwar Should I Join The Marine Corps?

If you have to ask the question, then I'd advise, Yes. ;)
 
christagious said:
May sound collectivist, but from my personal experience, other than volunteer firefighters, Marines seem to be the cockiest people on earth. Most of the marines that I've met and known personally, I couldn't stand them because of their badass attitudes and cockiness.

I'm sure there are some good marines out there though. just my 2 cents.
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The better marines wont even tell you they were in until you know them for a while or someone else brings it up.
 
As a veteran myself ask this...

Why?...when you can volunteer to join and fight a war you feel is "just" on your terms when one comes along?
 
Pauls' Revere said:
As a veteran myself ask this...

Why?...when you can volunteer to join and fight a war you feel is "just" on your terms when one comes along?
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I agree with this. If you join the military now you will most certainly see combat in a war you might not agree with.
 
bkreigh said:
If you are looking to serve your country in the military but have second thoughts about going to a war zone do your research on all 5 of the branches.

Although it is becoming tougher to get in, unless you are a minority or a female, the Coast Guard is a good option.
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While I agree that the CG is a good option -- and it was one of the first things that occured to me; problem is that the USCG is one of the primary movers in the "War on Drugs" and even once all the other illegal stuff is over in the other branches, the War on Drugs will probably still be going on.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
While I agree that the CG is a good option -- and it was one of the first things that occured to me; problem is that the USCG is one of the primary movers in the "War on Drugs" and even once all the other illegal stuff is over in the other branches, the War on Drugs will probably still be going on.
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True, but I think they bear less fault than domestic law enforcement agencies in the drug war. They are generally busting up smuggling operations instead of breaking into peoples homes. Congress does have the constitutional power to lay tarrifs on imports, and regulate international and interstate trade. Where they started getting out of control was with the 'touch and concern' and 'instrumentality' crap doctrines.
 
UnReconstructed said:
Being that I was in the Army for a little more than 8 years I would say join the Air Force. Your living conditions will be 100% better than any of the other branches.
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The USAF does have better conditions, better jobs, and even (based on bonuses and allowances) better pay. I was in the USAF JROTC and Civil Air Patrol as a kid, and in all reality I probably should have goine USAF.

Hell, I knew as much if not more about the USAF than the recruiter did!

Problem is, I wasn't really looking for "easy" I was looking for a challenge, and the USAF recruiter read me wrong.

I walked into the recruiting offices and spoke to the USAF recruiter. I asked him how hard it woul be. He explored my background (high 'officer' in AFJROTC, high 'enlisted' in Civil Air Patrol) and told me I'd barely know was there when I went through training, that for me it'd be like I arrived, got my uniforms, marched around for a while, and then went off to my job.

Well, sure, he was probably right. But if he had read me right and told me it would be a challenge I'd probably have signed up there and then.

But instead I walked across the hall to the USMC recruiter and asked him about boot camp. He said something like, "Son, It'll be the toughest thing in your life, and you'll be lucky if you make it through, but if you do, you'll be a Marine."

Well, I joined the Marines. ;-)

Sometimes I wonder, seriously, if I'd have been happier in the long run to have joined the AF instead. I mean, their chow hall is 500% better...their living quarters are 1000% better. They have a WAY easier life than Marines do.

But I wanted to do hard-core stuff.

So if I had joined the AF, I would not have been happy unless I were a PJOC or a combat contoller...kinda the "special forces" of the Air Force you could call them.

But always, I am glad I picked the USMC. The USMC is not the easiest -- it is the hardest. It does not have the best living conditions -- it has the worst. There is a special undefineable quality to being a Marine; and the whole "once a Marine, always a Marine" is 1000% truth.

A couple things I would have done differently had I known better, and had I been rational at the time I would have gone to college and joined as an officer. But yeah, I was all primed and prepared for the USAF, but went with the Marines instead. And I don't regret it. For what it's worth.
 
Kalifornia said:
True, but I think they bear less fault than domestic law enforcement agencies in the drug war. They are generally busting up smuggling operations instead of breaking into peoples homes. Congress does have the constitutional power to lay tarrifs on imports, and regulate international and interstate trade. Where they started getting out of control was with the 'touch and concern' and 'instrumentality' crap doctrines.
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I agree with this. Interdiction is not nearly as much of a boogieman as what is being done by the LEO's here at home, not by a LONG way.
 
ronpaulblogsdotcom said:
The National Guard has been deployed too. It is hard to stay out of these wars.

But Gunny had some good points. Marines are independant and have high morals even those that raise to general. Some of my favorite generals have been marines.

But marines get deployed to everything. And they get deployed first. Well after special forces. If normal troops go in it is Marines that get deployed.

Personally I would hate being used as cannon fodder. It would make me act up and then I would get in trouble.

If your personal situation demands that you join up maybe you have to do something. But remember Marines are first in, they fight and then get moved to the next fight while the Army takes over day to day stuff.

My dad was Air Force and didnt think it was that bad.
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A lot of the first-in stuff depends on your job. I was an 0231, or S-2 Intelligence clerk/analyst. Now, while I would not have been directly on the 'front lines' od the firefights, the Marine "rear" does tend to be about as 'forward' as the Army's "front" so while S-2 is less forward than the straight-leg infantry, they aren't exactly "in the rear with the gear" if you know what I mean.

Other jobs you can get are better. Avionics mechanic puts you on an airfield repairing airplanes and helicopters. Armorer puts you on a base issuing and repairing weapons. There are other 'tech' jobs like computer maintenance and repair that keep you in relative safety.

Now, there were a lot of "conscientious objecter" types who while they did not want to be a trigger-puller, did in fact want to be up in the action. They tended towards joining the Navy and becoming a Marine Corps combat Corpsman. Very dangerous job, but suitable for a conscientious objector who wanted to see combat first hand.
 
christagious said:
May sound collectivist, but from my personal experience, other than volunteer firefighters, Marines seem to be the cockiest people on earth. Most of the marines that I've met and known personally, I couldn't stand them because of their badass attitudes and cockiness.

I'm sure there are some good marines out there though. just my 2 cents.
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On the other hand, the esprit-de-corps which develops that sort of attitude in some, may well be the reason to pick that branch over the others. ;) I mean, haven't you heard the old saw, "If you can do it, it ain't bragging!" ? hehe

Truth is, though, you don't have to be a jackass to be a Marine, and you don't have to be a Marine to be a jackass. You don't need to draw any Euler's circles or Venn diagrams to see that neither set contains the other.

And to answer the post a few down that replied to this one...you do not have to be one of the jackass Marines to be proud of being a Marine.
 
Danke said:
oh, very authoritative on the subject at hand. :rolleyes:



Hey scrubbing toilets is an influential job, don't be ashamed. Maybe have another sip of Gunny's koolaid will help. The Marines are so Constitutionally orientated.
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Hmm, when I was active I drank tons of water and coffee and quite a bit of gatorade, never messed with Kool-aid though.

I suppose, Danke, you are speaking from personal experience, no? So where were you stationed in the Marines? If you are going to make the claim that I am speaking in 'brainwash propaganda' then I'd like to hear where you got your first-hand information from.

You claim to know that US Marines don't respect the US Constitution any more than any other servicemember, so either tell us where this information is coming from, or admit to us that you just pulled it out of your ass. thanks so much. :)
 
wow thanks guys I didnt expect this much to come of my question.hmmm I think I will just wait it out for maybe a few more years until I get a better grip on my personal life and such
 
damien88 said:
wow thanks guys I didnt expect this much to come of my question.hmmm I think I will just wait it out for maybe a few more years until I get a better grip on my personal life and such
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Just don't take this fact lightly: You sign up, you're pwned for years. The government owns you as surely as if they had a lockhold lease on your rump. Serious business.

Never signed on for that myself, but that's just me. If the nation were threatened, that would've changed things, but it wasn't.
 
I love my country and admire military service to.

Go to college and do ROTC without signing for a scholarship. That way, you'll have a couple of years with no commitment but plenty of training and character building. (but no $, this is what I'm doing)

I'm going to professional school to be a doctor. I want to be a flight surgeon like RP. :)
 
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