Idea: Paul-Kucinich debate tour

[me3]

Then why can't he raise any money?

Kuckinich is novel.

Our guy is going to be president.

Kucinich doesn't have a base like the Old Right, Goldwater conservatives etc. to draw on. Don't forget, Dr. Paul appeals to the Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Reformers as well.

And Ron Paul has already done one run at the Presidency. His congressional and previous presidential candidacy mailing and supporter lists probably provided a lot of the initial start up.

I think it is important to look at this as a process. It's not going to be one or two terms and done. There is a real opportunity to select some high character individuals to other branches of government as well, establishing a new tradition, an opportunity for something that lasts (as long as we can keep it that is).

 

[PredatorOC]

Not an idea I'd endorse. Their disagreement is on economics, which will put people to sleep.

Also, I don't know if Kucinich has studied economics, so it might devolve into a reason vs. emotion type of debate. Besides, Kucinich is a Keynesian (the folks who believe random government funded shoveling is good for the economy) and the world has been run by their ilk for far too long.

 

[Ron LOL]

Dennis is a fringe DEM. We're moving up. I don't think it will be of any benefit, not with the primaries so close. Everything right now has to be IA, NH, SC, NV and lots of boots on the ground making sure we have delegates, and registered Ron Paul voters.

If we do well in the early primaries, he'll have all of the attention he could ask for throughout the campaign.

If he doesn't do well at the ballot box, no amount of gimmicks or interviews will help.

Right on the money. Kucinich is a good guy, but we have nothing to gain by associating with him. Especially if it takes time away from things like, oh, winning NH and making sure we don't go totally belly up in IA.

 

[Just Come Home]

I'll admit that I would like to see Kucinich defend his position on slavery reparations.

I've always wondered if Ron Paul doesn't agree with this position. Ron Paul is all about ensuring that the government fulfills its commitments.

That's a can of worms I hope stays closed.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

I guess it's moved up from Gravel/Paul to Kucinich/Paul. Next month will be Dodd/Paul.

How about.. just Paul.

 

[ButchHowdy]

Kucinich is in 1st place (as is Ron Paul) in the Vote.com poll.

I agree with his stance that the "people of the influx" simply being here perhaps violates civil law but not criminal law.

 

[LBT]

This idea is not beneficial for several reasons.

1. Firstly it puts to Politicians who are respected for having integrity, and being of a similar voice on important issues such as the war and rejecting the establishment into a position where all they do is pick each others ideas apart in a debate. That's divisive. If Ron Paul does get the nomination there would seem no chance he will be up against Kuchi, but such a debate would have alienated some of his supporters from crossing over to RP.

2. Makes them look like fringe kooks, playing in their own sand basket. The media would likely ignore or mock it.

3. Kuchi could go broke half way through it.

etc etc

Anyway, we need to start converting registered republicans from now through the primaries. I think to do that we need to show Ron is a smart conservative in the old right, Goldwater, Reagan tradition and that he is the best bet to beat Hillary. After that we can worry about how to take on the Dem nominee.

 

[LibertyEagle]

People shouldn't be so hard on Kucinich, I like him, he is a good man, and is trying ot do whats right for America, alot like Paul. He speaks his mind, and that is admirable in a politician.

I think a tour would be awesome, and it would expose alot of liberals to new ideas... andI think Paul would win alot more than he would lose.

Huh?

Kucinich = gun-grabber, pro-illegal alien, pro big government. Basically, he's a socialist.

The ONLY thing I see that Kucinich and Paul have in common is that they are both against the Iraq war.

 

[foofighter20x]

Kucinich is a nobody and even more uknown than Paul. He is a hardcore socialists but a decent man. He flails around his pocket constitution as if he ever read it, unaware, that much of what he wishes to do with the country will extremely financially unsound and overtaxing to tax-payers.

You left out that most of it's also patently unconstitutional.

 

[RegularRon]

Nope, not a good idea at all. First and fore most, we are knocking at the door of the Mainstream. Why would you want to hurt that???

Secondly, AGAIN KUCINICH IS A SOCIALIST. To people who say he's trying to do good things for the U.S and he's a "decent" man, Would you be saying that about Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Hitler, and all the rest of the morons who were "just trying to do good for his country"?

I'm still amazed at the support you people have for someone who doesn't agree with Dr. Paul on anything, well besides the IRAQ war.

Why are you Voting for Dr. Paul again??

 

[jrich4rpaul]

If we're trying to get people to register Republican to vote for Ron Paul, we shouldn't be promoting democrats.

 

[FreeTraveler]

Secondly, AGAIN KUCINICH IS A SOCIALIST. To people who say he's trying to do good things for the U.S and he's a "decent" man, Would you be saying that about Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Hitler, and all the rest of the morons who were "just trying to do good for his country"?

I'm still amazed at the support you people have for someone who doesn't agree with Dr. Paul on anything, well besides the IRAQ war.

Why are you Voting for Dr. Paul again??

+1

 

[Adamsa]

Woah, Kucinich is a socialist, but he isn't a ruthless dictator like Lenin or Stalin. But you're right, with the exception of foreign policy, Kucinich is wrong.

 

[mjt]

Kucinich is wrong on every issue except Iraq. The man about as big gov as you can get.

 

[Bruehound]

The sooner some RP supporters take the time to research his 30 plus year career and come to understand his positions the sooner we can stop hearing this Kucinich nonsense.

Enough.

 

[RegularRon]

+1

Nice to see someone else who get's it on this board

 

[constitutional]

worst idea ever.

 

[TruckinMike]

Kucinich does NOT trust the citizens of this country!

Gun Owners of America gave him a F-.

That is the true test of a candidate in my mind. How can they control you or enslave you if you are armed? They can't. Kucinich is a gun grabbing Dufus, he obviously does not understand what freedom/Liberty means. Or on the other hand....he is just another manipulating, sheep herding, lying politician.

Your choice --- either he has no wisdom or he is evil.

TruckinMike

 

[RegularRon]

The sooner some RP supporters take the time to research his 30 plus year career and come to understand his positions the sooner we can stop hearing this Kucinich nonsense.

Enough.

"Some supporters"? Is it me or does it look like that a good PORTION of supporters like that Socialist Rat Bastard? Yes, I said it.

 

[Rob]

What everyone seems to be missing here is that the potential gains of Ron Paul are nearly minuscule. All of Kucinich's supporters are intelligent and dedicated. It will take hours of reasoned explanations to even get these people to consider changing their allegiances.

I completely agree this would be the most intelligent debate held in some time, but the majority of voters will simply ignore them. In addition general rule of debates is that they hurt the leader and help everyone else almost without regard to who has a better debate. This is why 3rd parties are so regularly excluded from them and why the front-runners rarely want to debate. A Paul vs. Obama or Romney debate would be wonderful, because odds are the "more popular candidates" would lose more than they would gain. However, all major political players realize this and so the front runners would never willingly agree to it.

I hate to say it but many of you on these forums think that our general campaign strategy should be to purely appeal to reason and intellect. What many fail to realize is that only a small percentage of the nation is intellectual. If we want to win the primaries we need to focus our efforts on both the politically uniformed and the sheep. Take it from someone who's has been a life-long student of politics and has done much campaigning on the front lines: you have a much higher voters won to campaign resources invested ratio with these people.

It usually takes only a few minutes to convert someone who is politically uniformed to Ron Paul vs. hours of detailed explanation and argument to even have a chance at converting someone who is politically knowledgeable.

Sheep are impressed by national media coverage and big numbers, intellectuals find them interesting but are rarely persuaded by them. It will be much easier for the Paul campaign to win by getting good MSM coverage and finding ways to create perceptions of momentum and winning than by attempting to promote the most intelligent platform backed the most reasoned positions.