Idea: Paul-Kucinich debate tour

[literatim]

really? i was actually pretty impressed by him, and can see that he understands the constitution better than most candidates.

I also respect his bravery for trying to get america to impeach cheney right away and not wait!

So much that he has no qualms about a federal ban on firearms.

 

[Hope]

Kucinich is an all right guy, but this isn't a good idea. We need to mainstream-ize Ron Paul, not preach to the choir of fringe political types.

 

[gyrmnix]

I was really sickened by Kuchi as well in the debate.... his insistence that illegal immigrants are NOT ILLEGAL? Not criminals? So what do you call someone that breaks a law? Who commits a crime? He says we should call them "undocumented"... hmmm....

From what I can tell, the phrase "illegal immigrant" implies that the immigrant is illegal and a person themself cannot be illegal. A person can commit a crime but, the person is not illegal.

The only reason why I would prefer calling them undocumented is because illegal immigrant leads the person to believe that the person is the problem, versus their action. But, that is all just my opinion.

Kucinich was definitely the best at the Democrat debate. Which isn't saying much, considering his competition. And this can't go by unsaid; is FOX News and CNN competing to see who can host the worst debate?

 

[Chibioz]

The reasons the debates have sucked so much in the past was because the mainstream media has had a monopoly on presidential debates. Just as we have innovated new fundraising techniques through our grassroots movement, I believe we can also innovate around the MSM debate roadblock. It doesn't have to be Dennis Kucinich, but I see him as one of the few likely to accept and also provide a good debate. I wouldn't mind watching Dr. Paul crush any of the other candidates however if anyone were to accept.

Edit: I can't find a source, but I believe Dr. Paul has also already said publicly that he would debate anyone 1 on 1 if he was challenged to a debate.

 

[hasan]

there wouldn't be much of a debate between the two because they are both honest men who simply have differing political ideologies. Their ideologies aren't compatible even though both are applicable depending on ones views and thats why there wouldn't be any conclusive outcome from such a debate.

 

[Chibioz]

Their incompatible ideologies would be the debate. When have we had a real high profile factually honest socialist vs. free market debate ever? Especially between presidential candidates. It would definitely be popular on digg, reddit and many other internet sites, and from there word is sure to spread.

 

[Birdlady]

Isn't Kucinich the guy who wants to ban all guns and make the department of peace (how tacky)

 

[Just Come Home]

I'm trying to think of a worse idea than taking our top tier candidate, and matching him up with their bottom tier candidate... And I'm having a hard time coming up with it.

I know... A fundraiser on Osama Bin Ladin's birthday. That one might top this terrible idea.

 

[Paulitician]

My opinion is: we keep wasting time discussing ridiculous crap like this on these forums.

 

[Chibioz]

The top tier stuff is media baloney that is used to supress undesirable candidates. Kucinich isn't as unpopular as you all make him out to be. Those of you buy into fox news UFO smears disappoint me, sure he said it but is it really significant? No it's just garbage. Would you like it if people smeared Ron Paul for liking chocolate chip cookies? We get smeared with stupid stuff all the time that we hope people will see past.

 

[hasan]

Their incompatible ideologies would be the debate. When have we had a real high profile factually honest socialist vs. free market debate ever? Especially between presidential candidates. It would definitely be popular on digg, reddit and many other internet sites, and from there word is sure to spread.

I just don't think this is the right time for such a debate. For one it will associate Ron Paul with democrats in a way the MSM will definitely spin negatively and will erode any potential support ron paul might have from republicans

 

[davidhperry]

I know... A fundraiser on Osama Bin Ladin's birthday. That one might top this terrible idea.

That's hilarious man - good thing I wasn't drinking something at the time.

 

[Just Come Home]

Kucinich isn't as unpopular as you all make him out to be.

Then why can't he raise any money?

Kuckinich is novel.

Our guy is going to be president.

 

[SeanEdwards]

I'm trying to think of a worse idea than taking our top tier candidate, and matching him up with their bottom tier candidate... And I'm having a hard time coming up with it.

I know... A fundraiser on Osama Bin Ladin's birthday. That one might top this terrible idea.

Are you just another hater trying to alienate Ron's supporters who want to fundraise on OBL's birthday?

/sarcasm off

 

[Just Come Home]

Are you just another hater trying to alienate Ron's supporters who want to fundraise on OBL's birthday?

/sarcasm off

Wait until you see my you tube!

 

[Chibioz]

I'm not saying he is as popular as Ron Paul or raising as much money.. I see it as an opportunity to introduce real intellectual debate to the people. The arguments against Kucinich in this thread are pretty weak. The majority of the participants in this thread seem to think it wouldn't be to Paul's advantage. I disagree, I think it would be letting the market decide instead of the monopoly MSM, and Paul would benefit.

 

[Paulitician]

It serves no purpose to even entertain the thought. One, because it's stupid. Two, because it's not going to happen.

 

[Just Come Home]

I'm not saying he is as popular as Ron Paul or raising as much money.. I see it as an opportunity to introduce real intellectual debate to the people. The arguments against Kucinich in this thread are pretty weak. The majority of the participants in this thread seem to think it wouldn't be to Paul's advantage. I disagree, I think it would be letting the market decide instead of the monopoly MSM, and Paul would benefit.

My only argument against Kucinich is that his own party sees him as a clown, and his base is non-existant as evidenced by his fundraising (er, lack thereof). Once Kucinich can raise $4 million dollars in a single day, I say let's urge the campaign to do it. Until then this idea lacks fundamental common sense and understanding of cause and effect.

You want to see Ron Paul free fall in the polls and our movement lose all of our hard earned gains, then keep associating him with the most bottom tiered fringe candidate that the democrats have to offer. Kucinich has no support, no fundraising ability, and no chance.

Our guy is going to be president.

 

[Chibioz]

My only argument against Kucinich is that his own party sees him as a clown, and his base is non-existant as evidenced by his fundraising (er, lack thereof). Once Kucinich can raise $4 million dollars in a single day, I say let's urge the campaign to do it. Until then this idea lacks fundamental common sense and understanding of cause and effect.

You want to see Ron Paul free fall in the polls and our movement lose all of our hard earned gains, then keep associating him with the most bottom tiered fringe candidate that the democrats have to offer. Kucinich has no support, no fundraising ability, and no chance.

Our guy is going to be president.

You have a point, but if Kucinich doesn't win the nomination I don't think we'll be seeing much of an intellectual debate at all this election. However, Ron Paul winning the race supercedes other priorities, if you guys don't think it's a good idea right now, than alright. I think some real intellectual debate would wake a lot of people up. I'm a bit disappointed, but I just want Ron Paul to win above all else.

Edit: Fixed some grammar.

 

[SeanEdwards]

I'll admit that I would like to see Kucinich defend his position on slavery reparations.

As long as Ron Paul doesn't have to share the stage with him.