Idea On How You Recruit Arabs To Rp

[Dustancostine]

Well I'm not going to tell Muslims to get over themselves as a group, but I am going to try and get the Muslim vote. I will tell you how it goes.

 

[rich34]

We should try to target everybody. By targeting only a specific group we alienate another. These types of flyers could turn off the core of the republican base. This kind of thing is definately not needed for the primary. We should just stick to our guns and tell everybody about Ron Paul regardless of ethnicity.

IMO, if you want to target someone target the religious leaders and the church folk. They helped Bush win the election and they are more likely to vote republican than arabs.

I've questioned the motives of this thread since the beginning. This idea is not really going to benefit Ron Paul that much if at all for the republican primary.

 

[Dustancostine]

I've questioned the motives of this thread since the beginning. This idea is not really going to benefit Ron Paul that much if at all for the republican primary.

Ok please explain your self!!!

Votes don't help RP?

Donations from a wealthy segment of our population don't help RP?

7,000 people eligble to vote in the Ames Poll doesn't help RP?

And all of this criticism just because you are afraid the media will paint RP as anti-semitic. I am tired of this mindset.

I am really sick and tired of armchair supporters. Go out and do something instead of criticize others attempts. (this applies to this thread and any others where people come out against the hard work of others)

-Dustan

 

[LibertyEagle]

We should try to target everybody. By targeting only a specific group we alienate another.

Yes, this sounds much like the reason why Dr. Paul (and George Washington) were against entangling alliances, including playing favorites with foreign aid.

We should speak the truth in the flyer and not make implications within that slant Dr. Paul's stance, regardless of how much a target audience may like it. If we single Israel out as the only country that Dr. Paul does not think should receive aid, we are slanting his message and it is wrong.

 

[Dustancostine]

. If we single Israel out as the only country that Dr. Paul does not think should receive aid, we are slanting his message and it is wrong.

Who has proposed this?

No One!

 

[Horatio Negersky]

If we single Israel out as the only country that Dr. Paul does not think should receive aid, we are slanting his message and it is wrong.

If Israel singles the world out as a secondary concern to their own agendas which patently involve violation of basic human freedoms [an omega-priority on their list as it would happen], then they should be flagged as "at issue".

Stating that belligerence shouldn't be tolerated - or monetarily rewarded - in a diplomatic capacity is entirely reasonable.
-
Negersky

 

[LibertyEagle]

If Israel singles the world out as a secondary concern to their own agendas which patently involve violation of basic human freedoms [an omega-priority on their list as it would happen], then they should be flagged as "at issue".

Stating that belligerence shouldn't be tolerated - or monetarily rewarded - in a diplomatic capacity is entirely reasonable.
-
Negersky

Now, you are getting off into your personal beliefs. I understand them and frankly agree, but do you think it is right for us to say things in a flyer under Dr. Paul's name that do not represent his own views?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle
If we single Israel out as the only country that Dr. Paul does not think should receive aid, we are slanting his message and it is wrong.

Who has proposed this?

No One!

What do you call this?

· Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who opposes financial and military aid for Israel.

 

[Mesogen]

Can they OK an end to the Iraq War too?

 

[Dustancostine]

What do you call this?

I call it the truth.

If you said that "Ron Paul is the only candidate that will end aid to Israel but not other Arabic Countries"

That would be what you said.


Use logic and rationale.

If I say I hate all apples, it is logical to conclude that I hate granny smith apples.

To Say "Dustan hates granny smith apples" is not misleading. Especially if questioned in the past I said specifically that I dislike granny smith apples in addition to all other apples.

BTW: I have nothing against apples.

 

[Nefertiti]

Forget pandering to different ethnicities in an effort to show them what Ron Paul can do for THEM. It's what he can do for EVERYONE. And I wish that all groups who fracture themselves into special cases would get over themselves.

Sure there is something in Ron Paul for EVERYONE, but what is most important out of Ron Paul's message differs from group to group, and that is why we need to target different groups differently.

 

[max]

Pandering?

It's not pandering. Pandering is when you you base or change your position solely to get the support of a group. RP is hated by the Israel Lobby, which will be music to Arab/Muslim ears.

Is it "pandering" to tell a pro-lifer "RP is pro-life"?
Is it "pandering" to tell an NRA member, "RP supports the 2nd amendment"?
Is it "pandering" to tell a tax protestor "RP wants to abolish the IRS."

So why is it "pandering" to point out to Arab Americans that RP, unlike the other clowns, is not owned by all mighty, pro-war Israel Lobby?

You people need to get over this irrational "fear" of being labeld "anti-semitic." You only play right into the enemy's hands when you pull your punches.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Actually Max, I'm not scared of it at all and I'm well aware that it is going to come at us in a big way. That is just fine with me. I just don't think it is necessary to invite it by singling out Israel on foreign aid, when to me at least, it is more accurate to make the statement that he is against ALL foreign aid. I think people are smart enough to figure out that this means Pakistan AND Israel, along with every other country.

I think I understand your viewpoint and you understand mine.

Do what you want.

 

[Hook]

Well, since everyone is going to do what they want anyway, just go ahead with your own flyer. If you say something offensive, Ron can just say he didn't write it so he isn't responsible for it.

 

[TruthLiberates]

WRONG mental process

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ABOUT THE NEO-CONSERVATIVES WHO CAUSED THE WAR?

They did not CAUSE the war. Remember DEMOCRATS in congress voted for the war too!

Plus you do not need to treat AMERICAN arabs like you hate the other side(s)- that is a turn off. I have friends that would never accept this division or group you're trying to put them in. They see themselves as Americans with the same color blood as you and I. Guess what? they even like the Israelis.

This approach is opposite of what RP said to do in his last Rep. debate of how to treat people and to stay away from categorizing them.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Actually Max, I'm not scared of it at all and I'm well aware that it is going to come at us in a big way. That is just fine with me. I just don't think it is necessary to invite it by singling out Israel on foreign aid, when to me at least, it is more accurate to make the statement that he is against ALL foreign aid. I think people are smart enough to figure out that this means Pakistan AND Israel, along with every other country.

I think I understand your viewpoint and you understand mine.

Do what you want.

Yea maybe just put in the flyer you leave in all the cars parked at a Mosques something like this IMO

Ron Paul is against foreign aid to ALL COUNTRIES

And most of people have this Israel thing backward, It's not the US that dictates what Israel does but it is Israel who tells the USA what to do. Cutting off aid to Israel only means that they would now have to pay out of their own pockets to bribe our congress instead of us.

.

 

[Nefertiti]

I just don't think it is necessary to invite it by singling out Israel on foreign aid, when to me at least, it is more accurate to make the statement that he is against ALL foreign aid. I think people are smart enough to figure out that this means Pakistan AND Israel, along with every other country.

No we Muslims aren't stupid. We understand the meaning of "all." But that isn't going to catch our attention like saying he will stop aid to Israel will. I believe Ron Paul's message should appeal to all but you have to have a "hook" that will attract certain target demographics to him and make them want to know more about him. If your target was Catholics then you might start off with his abortion stance instead. That isn't all he stands for but it is a part that would hook them.


On this same topic here are some stats that might show you why this approach is the best one to attract Arabs (who remember, are mostly Christians):

http://www.aaiusa.org/page/-/Polls/2006voterpolls.pdf

 

[rich34]

Ok please explain your self!!!

Votes don't help RP?

Donations from a wealthy segment of our population don't help RP?

7,000 people eligble to vote in the Ames Poll doesn't help RP?

And all of this criticism just because you are afraid the media will paint RP as anti-semitic. I am tired of this mindset.

I am really sick and tired of armchair supporters. Go out and do something instead of criticize others attempts. (this applies to this thread and any others where people come out against the hard work of others)

-Dustan

My problem is with how it's worded. Imo it needs to be directed towards all people. It could easily say "he's cutting off foreign aid to ALL country's." They're not stupid. And as I said earlier, we don't need to target one group and then alienate another, especially when that "other" would be the core base of the republican party. Those are the votes we need to make in roads on imo.

 

[Nefertiti]

Well I'm not going to tell Muslims to get over themselves as a group, but I am going to try and get the Muslim vote. I will tell you how it goes.

People seem to be afraid that getting the Muslim/Arab vote in this country will somehow turn off other voters to Ron Paul. No one has said it as such but that is the sense I am getting from the fervent opposition to this proposal. I don't see the same response to RP's statement of faith being marketed to church groups so I can only say that some view the support of the Muslim/Arab demographic as one that will cost RP more votes than it will gain.

This is not an Arab/Muslim vs. Israel thing. I do believe that Jews could find that Ron Paul would serve their interests as well. And I would encourage others to work on that issue.

But the Arab/Muslim population in this country is 2-3 times as large as the Jewish population. The only reason the "Jewish lobby" is so "strong" is because they are active. Many Muslims and Arabs are disillusioned by the political system and don't even vote because they don't believe there are any good candidates. Arabs and Muslims could do the same if they were shaken out of their apathy and made to see that Ron Paul is truly different from the other candidates and that it is no longer an issue of choosing the lesser of two evils but rather choosing a candidate whose views are really to our benefit.

Look, I will review what people have suggested for fliers and try and edit what has been proposed into a single flier tomorrow morning. I'm Muslim but I don't pretend to say I can speak for all Muslims and I'm not even Arab, although I am married to one and spent 7 years in an Arab country (and have dual citizenship in that country), but I will give it a go. If anyone wants to use it, it will be available. Everyone here has made good arguments and I think they will be useful in writing up the flier.

 

[max]

dont worry about alienating

the jewish vote and jewish money will always be mainly democrat..
the minority who support GOP are neocons..

the tiny minority who lean libertarian won't be alienated...and they are generally very critical of Israel's policies and lobby....Google: Henry Makow, Israel Shahak, Jack Bernstein, Aaron Russo and many others..

reaching out to arabs wont lose us anything .... there are also plenty of jews who hate israel's policies that will like rp's refusal to obey to aipac