I would like to attempt to clear up any Campaign for Liberty misinformation you have!

[ShannonOBrien]

I see so many posts on this forum where people have misinformation about Campaign for Liberty. I think that part of the blame can go to the campaign itself for not communicating enough with the grassroots. The reason that is such a problem is because 1.) They are a very small staff with a mountain of tasks to complete 2.) You have to sign up to be a precinct leader before you can get all of the information! The reason you have to be a precinct leader before you can get the information is because it contains information that can't be given out willy nilly.

I have requested the C4L to clear up all of the confusion but they are unable to give the grassroots its full and undivided attention right now. (They did say that they will have more contact as soon as they possibly can though.) So instead of waiting, I have decided to answer any questions about C4L to the best of my knowledge. I am just a precinct leader but I was very confused when I first signed up and did a lot of asking up the chain of command to get answers. Hopefully I can be of some help to those just as confused as I was.

 

[acptulsa]

I could and would do the precinct leader thing but the whole operation was in such a mess at first that I feared I would spend all my time asking questions and no time accomplishing anything. So, now that it seems the dust is settling, what do you get to accomplish as precinct leader in exchange for your time invested? Can you give me a rundown?

Hope I'm not the only one who could learn from your explanation. Thanks.

 

[JK/SEA]

Precinct leader is not the same as a Precinct Committe Officer?

i'm the latter, newly elected (118 votes) and it does confuse me.

 

[ShannonOBrien]

I could and would do the precinct leader thing but the whole operation was in such a mess at first that I feared I would spend all my time asking questions and no time accomplishing anything. So, now that it seems the dust is settling, what do you get to accomplish as precinct leader in exchange for your time invested? Can you give me a rundown?

Hope I'm not the only one who could learn from your explanation. Thanks.

As a precinct leader you are given tasks so that you are completely prepared to win your precinct for anything liberty related. You do these tasks in steps. By the time you complete your first step you feel 100% confident in your ability to win over your precinct. Everything is very clear. An example of a task might be to read strategy material or get an accurate list of every household/person in your precinct. I like it because it's completely action oriented and the tasks are things that will directly change the outcome of elections.

I didn't have much hope for CFL. I'd never even been to a meetup but I signed up on a whim. After doing that first step I can't believe I was so hesitant. I know there are a lot more people out there like me so I'm trying to get the information out there!

 

[ShannonOBrien]

Precinct leader is not the same as a Precinct Committe Officer?

i'm the latter, newly elected (118 votes) and it does confuse me.

That was the whole reason I didn't become a precinct leader in the first place! It is confusing! What I found out was that a precinct leader is separate from a precinct committee officer. A precinct leader is strictly for C4L. You can have as many precinct leaders as you want. The more the merrier. You get access to tools to win over your precinct that non-precinct members do not. (However, we want them to help out too.) A precinct committee officer works for either the democratic or republican party only. Ideally the CFL would like to have a precinct committee officer who is also a precinct leader in every precinct. But for right now C4L is non-partisan.

 

[Elwar]

Why is it that the Ron Paul Revolution is pushing so hard on this whole CFL thing? Some of us aren't really into Canadian football.

 

[dude58677]

why is it that the ron paul revolution is pushing so hard on this whole cfl thing? Some of us aren't really into canadian football.

lmao!

 

[ShannonOBrien]

Why is it that the Ron Paul Revolution is pushing so hard on this whole CFL thing? Some of us aren't really into Canadian football.

I don't think the Ron Paul Revolution is pushing hard for the CFL thing at all. I see a lot of people loudly expressing their frustration with the lack of communication and I see a lot of people quietly working with the CFL. If you don't want anything to with it, that's fine. I'm not going to put a gun to your head. I'm just trying to help the people who would want to help if only they had more information about what they are getting into.

You lost me on the canadian football joke. LOL

 

[dude58677]

I don't think the Ron Paul Revolution is pushing hard for the CFL thing at all. I see a lot of people loudly expressing their frustration with the lack of communication and I see a lot of people quietly working with the CFL. If you don't want anything to with it, that's fine. I'm not going to put a gun to your head. I'm just trying to help the people who would want to help if only they had more information about what they are getting into.

You lost me on the canadian football joke. LOL

Canadian Football League!

Jim Kelly of the Buffalo Bills played in that league as well as Doug Flutie and Hershel Walker.

http://www.cfl.ca/

 

[RickyJ]

You guys can campaign all you want to and it will get you nowhere. Now if you decide to join the revolution then I will pay attention.

 

[acptulsa]

Why is it that the Ron Paul Revolution is pushing so hard on this whole CFL thing? Some of us aren't really into Canadian football.

Eh?

You get ten whole extra yards ya hoser!

 

[RickyJ]

Ideally the CFL would like to have a precinct committee officer who is also a precinct leader in every precinct. But for right now C4L is non-partisan.

I'm sure glad you cleared that up for us.

Why two organizations?

What's the difference between the CFL and the C4L?


Is the CFL partisan and the C4L non-partisan?

Is the C4L kind of like Switzerland and the CFL kind of like Germany?

 

[Deborah K]

The best thing C4L can do is set up workshops to teach how people to awaken the sleeping. Too many RP supporters are having trouble backing up their stances with facts. We all need to learn how to be informed debaters. Some of us can figure it out on our own and others really need help. jmho

 

[RickyJ]

Precinct leader is not the same as a Precinct Committe Officer?

i'm the latter, newly elected (118 votes) and it does confuse me.

Wait a minute? You just got elected to a post you don't even know much about?

Are you related to Obama?

 

[ShannonOBrien]

You guys can campaign all you want to and it will get you nowhere. Now if you decide to join the revolution then I will pay attention.

Well CFL is campaigning to get liberty minded people into office by getting people who are part of the RP revolution to get involved in the party and/or get them out to the polls 100% when it comes time to vote.

 

[ShannonOBrien]

I'm sure glad you cleared that up for us.

Why two organizations?

What's the difference between the CFL and the C4L?


Is the CFL partisan and the C4L non-partisan?

Is the C4L kind of like Switzerland and the CFL kind of like Germany?

There is actually one organization. Campaign for liberty aka CFL aka C4L. Some people prefer to use CFL, some prefer to use C4L. I've been using them interchangeably so I am probably contributing to the confusion! I'll just say campaign for liberty. Campaign for liberty is non-partisan but trying to get as many RP supporters politically active as possible.

 

[ShannonOBrien]

The best thing C4L can do is set up workshops to teach how people to awaken the sleeping. Too many RP supporters are having trouble backing up their stances with facts. We all need to learn how to be informed debaters. Some of us can figure it out on our own and others really need help. jmho

I agree. They have set up an education tab at the Campaign for Liberty website but there is a TON of information so it takes a while. Hopefully we can find those who are sympathetic to liberty and direct them to the education tab of the website to get started. Of course, not without some gentle nudging.

 

[RickyJ]

The best thing C4L can do is set up workshops to teach how people to awaken the sleeping. Too many RP supporters are having trouble backing up their stances with facts. We all need to learn how to be informed debaters. Some of us can figure it out on our own and others really need help. jmho

You can't wake people up that don't want to be woken up. Facts are not the problem, getting people to believe the facts or care about the facts are. Most people just think you are crazy when you talk about the FED, or 9/11 truth, or the elite. Really, even Ron Paul thinks 9/11 truthers are nuts. If we can't even convince the good doctor then what hope do we have to convince the average Joe on the street that our government has been taken over?

 

[ShannonOBrien]

Wait a minute? You just got elected to a post you don't even know much about?

Are you related to Obama?

Precinct leaders aren't elected. Anybody can be a precinct leader. You just have to sign up, pay $35 for dues and sign a non-disclosure agreement. (The non-disclosure agreement is there because they give you a list of people in your precinct and their phone numbers. They don't want you to abuse that information.) Right now any higher position (such as a county coordinator) is unelected as well. As soon as a state gets a good amount of precinct leaders, a convention will be held and the precinct leaders will elect their leaders, who will elect their leaders and so on up the food chain. Just like a republic. The number of precinct leaders depends on the state. Some states are small and will require a smaller number of precinct leaders to start elections. As far as I know there is no set in stone number.

 

[pacelli]

Does it bother you at all that the only people on the actual board are either members of his family or members of the prior campaigns?