I thought WE CAN DO anything??

[cosmeg]

Hmm, new here? Why don't you take a breath and realize this thing is bigger than you and your pet projects. What are you gonna do, sit in the street and complain to the cops that they won't put your guy on their private TV station? Gimme a break, the real battle is over the voters minds. And we won't be winning it through their wires, so why don't you get off you whiny ass and hit on some doors. Thats how true change happens.

Because I'm new here I'm suddenly new to reality as well? What sort of logic is that drawn from? Why don't you open your eyes and realize this thing is bigger than you and your Jehovah's Witness tactics?* I'm not mentioning violence of any fashion. If you're too chickenshit to stop the MSM from controlling the masses, then that's your problem. This also means you arent an RP revolutionist. Now, you may continue YOUR whining.

Nice spin btw, calling me a whiner, when I'm actually willing to take action while you're out there annoying people.


*(No, I have nothing against Jehovah's Witnesses at all, but they don't use computers, so don't belittle me by claiming to be one. Oh, and stop waking me up at 6am =P .)

 

[VRP08]

Alright Ghandi, you're one of many who need to stop calling this a revolution. Throw away your shirts and pins, but cast your vote nonetheless. Ron Paul, whether he would admit it or not, wants us to make a fucking stand. He can't say it because he'll lose all hope and they'll smear his name and shit on his career. This system is frikkin nuts, people. He'd never admit he was proud we screwed with the MSM, but he WILL be so proud, and relieved as hell, I know it. I just feel like something big has to happen. Door-to-door is petty, and people will ignore it. Know why people watch and trust CNN? Because they keep it interesting.... "knock knock, vote for RP" isn't interesting.

Amen!
Sadly, Ron Paul will never experiance the feeling of seeing a peaceful protest rally with thousands of people shouting his name to support him. And now I see how they say "we are only on the internet". we are not loud enough. nobody can see us, we are not getting out enough! A MASS of people IS in FACT impressive to me, more so than havung a door slammed in my face because they already decided to vote for someone else. No thank you.

 

[SJohnsson]

Because I'm new here I'm suddenly new to reality as well? What sort of logic is that drawn from? Why don't you open your eyes and realize this thing is bigger than you and your Jehovah's Witness tactics? I'm not mentioning violence of any fashion. If you're too chickenshit to stop the MSM from controlling the masses, then that's your problem. This also means you arent an RP revolutionist. Now, you may continue YOUR whining.

Nice spin btw, calling me a whiner, when I'm actually willing to take action while you're out there annoying people.

Ahhh the old "if they don't change themselves, then we'll make 'em change". It sounds like you have no real idea of what you want to do. Unfortunately, as private corporations, you don't have a direct say in how they broadcast. But you do have the right to influence others and their opinion in an indirect way. So why don't you drop the fire and brimstone rhetoric and realize this is an ideological battle. There are much better ideas to influences the masses then trying to pound through the brick wall of the MSM.

 

[VRP08]

Ahhh the old "if they don't change themselves, then we'll make 'em change". It sounds like you have no real idea of what you want to do. Unfortunately, as private corporations, you don't have a direct say in how they broadcast. But you do have the right to influence others and their opinion in an indirect way. So why don't you drop the fire and brimstone rhetoric and realize this is an ideological battle. There are much better ideas to influences the masses then trying to pound through the brick wall of the MSM.

Be specific!

BTW, You called me MAN before, I'm a female.

 

[SJohnsson]

Be specific!

BTW, You called me MAN before, I'm a female.

RPR, the Blimp, Independence Hall, International rallies around Dec. 16, Moneybombs, etc.

These are the ideas that pique interest, not some anger rally that the average voter can't relate to. This idea will just turn people off.

 

[lasenorita]

Right now, I don't think a huge protest or an unsubscribe blitz will do much for the campaign. It will backfire, and frankly, I don't think we have the time or energy to spare to pursue a different agenda.

I think our best course of action is to spread the word that the mainstream media cannot be relied upon or trusted. Point out their obvious and subtle biases to family and friends. Remind them that the majority of news providers are owned and operated by a handful of corporations. Provide evidence and point them to websites such as Project Censored: The News That Didn't Make The News, Media Matters, Accuracy In Media, News Hounds, etc. Sure, many will continue watching their share of MSM news, but you will at least plant the first seeds of doubt and subtly force them to question the information they are being given. Attack CNN/FOX/MSNBC/CBS's credibility and you will minimize their impact.

 

[VRP08]

RPR, the Blimp, Independence Hall, International rallies around Dec. 16, Moneybombs, etc.

These are the ideas that pique interest, not some anger rally that the average voter can't relate to. This idea will just turn people off.

Who and when was anyone talking about a "anger" rally? Did I miss something?

The things you mentioned above are all wonderful and I'm glad we have/had that. Yet, I do not feel in anyway that you are understanding what I had in mind. Anger? I'm all about peace and respect for others. I've yet to see anything respectful from you. And just because I don't agree, doesn't mean that I don't understand. Let's not confuse these two.

 

[AisA1787]

Who and when was anyone talking about a "anger" rally? Did I miss something?

We understand you don't mean an "anger" rally, but the MSM/Old Media will call it angry whether it's angry or not. They very rarely cover the RP campaign in a truthful, full-disclosure manner. I see no reason that they wouldn't spin a peaceful rally into an angry mob story. In fact I'd bet good money they would call it "angry." I'd bet even more money they wouldn't mention it.

 

[AisA1787]

If you're looking for something to do, I liked this idea of putting full page newspaper ads in local newspapers. Cost will vary depending on area of course, but you could probably draw a few local RP supporters together and pool your money:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=54619&highlight=freedom+rider

 

[VRP08]

It will backfire

HOW? WHY?

and frankly, I don't think we have the time or energy to spare to pursue a different agenda.

You mean YOU don't have the time or energy? Because I could easily TAKE the time and energy with no problem.

 

[SJohnsson]

Who and when was anyone talking about a "anger" rally? Did I miss something?

The things you mentioned above are all wonderful and I'm glad we have/had that. Yet, I do not feel in anyway that you are understanding what I had in mind. Anger? I'm all about peace and respect for others. I've yet to see anything respectful from you. And just because I don't agree, doesn't mean that I don't understand. Let's not confuse these two.

So, when the only coverage of this rally on THEIR channels goes out to america, THEIR pundits will all remark how "unangry" we all seem to look.

Listen, I'm glad you posted the idea, its important everyone brainstorms, but that doesnt mean i have to agree with you.

Fact of the matter is you want to turn our attention and direct our energies to PRIVATE media outlets. This is the wrong time and place for those kind of tactics. We're heading into the primary season, all i care about is that people know, understand, and will vote in favor of RP's ideas. Thats where i'm focusing my energy, Old Media be damned.

 

[Micahyah]

I proposed this last month. We should go to all media outlets on one day, not in an 'angry' form, but just to show that we are offline, and we are everywhere, supporters of Ron Paul.

 

[VRP08]

Listen, I'm glad you posted the idea, its important everyone brainstorms, but that doesnt mean i have to agree with you.

Certainly you don't have to agree with me, you are entitled to your opinion like I am to mine. But the tone makes the music.

But let it not be said that we did nothing. - Congressman Ron Paul

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[SJohnsson]

Certainly you don't have to agree with me, you are entitled to your opinion like I am to mine. But the tone makes the music.

But let it not be said that we did nothing. - Congressman Ron Paul

All right then, perhaps we can move on to more constructive discourse

 

[VRP08]

All right then, perhaps we can move on to more constructive discourse

If you say so.

 

[cosmeg]

Ahhh the old "if they don't change themselves, then we'll make 'em change". It sounds like you have no real idea of what you want to do. Unfortunately, as private corporations, you don't have a direct say in how they broadcast. But you do have the right to influence others and their opinion in an indirect way. So why don't you drop the fire and brimstone rhetoric and realize this is an ideological battle. There are much better ideas to influences the masses then trying to pound through the brick wall of the MSM.

I never said I wanted to change them. It isn't my right to do so. It is however my right to make it clear to Americans of their actions, especially of their intentions.

 

[cosmeg]

Look, my friend (SJOHNSSON), your course of action is to sit there and attempt, very unneccesarily and unsuccessfully, to convince us to convey our concept of the Ron Paul Revolution in a manner that's failing. Failing! Blimp = failing. Good idea, didn't work. Money bombs = failing (as far as attracting media attention anyway), International Rallies = who the hell cares, this is America, their opinions, though appreciated, mean nothing to the American masses.

Blocking streets WE paid for with OUR tax dollars so that CNN tyrants can neither go to or leave from HQ by means of their vehicles is actually a very effective tool in my book. It's hard to dish out fake news if they're bombarded with peaceful assemblers merely sitting on streets, sidewalks and parking lots. I don't care how they spin it, Ron Paul getting elected is important, but there are many, many, MANY more important things out there. If we stand a chance of winning, and the many supporters of Ron Paul truly are revolutionaries, there should be hundreds of thousands of people present for the event.

This is important. You go ahead and stand by while MSM controls the results of a rigged election. You'll have played your own role in the rigging. Now stop replying to me, your rebuttles are weak, and so is your belief in freedom and revolution.

 

[cosmeg]

If you say so.

If this event makes the cut, I'd love nothing more than to shake your hand.

 

[SJohnsson]

Look, my friend (SJOHNSSON), your course of action is to sit there and attempt, very unneccesarily and unsuccessfully, to convince us to convey our concept of the Ron Paul Revolution in a manner that's failing. Failing! Blimp = failing. Good idea, didn't work. Money bombs = failing (as far as attracting media attention anyway), International Rallies = who the hell cares, this is America, they're opinions, though appreciated, mean nothing to the American masses.

Blocking streets WE paid for with OUR tax dollars so that CNN tyrants can neither go to or leave from HQ by means of their vehicles is actually a very effective tool in my book. It's hard to dish out fake news if they're bombarded with peaceful assemblers merely sitting on streets, sidewalks and parking lots. I don't care how they spin it, Ron Paul getting elected is important, but there are many, many, MANY more important things out there. If we stand a chance of winning, and the many supporters of Ron Paul truly are revolutionaries, there should be hundreds of thousands of people present for the event.

This is important. You go ahead and stand by while MSM controls the results of a rigged election. You'll have played your own role in the rigging. Now stop replying to me, your rebuttles are weak, and so is your belief in freedom and revolution.

I'm sorry, i guess i didn't notice the hundreds of thousands of people, nay even a few people that came into this thread and thought it was a good idea. Focus on the man and the message, speak it and live it, and try to understand that the good ideas get followed and lifted up immediately, while the others fall. Let it go, we have much better opportunities.