I statement making the rounds

[wgadget]

So the question is, Would more Ron Paul voters write him in or vote for him third party?

 

[Edward]

So the question is, Would more Ron Paul voters write him in or vote for him third party?

Ron polls around 18% as third party, drawing a huge number of independents from Romney. No way he would get 18% as a write-in.

 

[Steele]

I don't like the "warned" at the end after saying it's not a threat.

"You have been notified."
"You have been informed."
"Now you know." - I like this best.
"Now we're clear."

Also caught my eye. I was thinking along the lines of, "You have been educated to the reality."

 

[LibertyIn08]

This is a great way to alienate those of us who have been putting in the work with the GOP at the Grassroots level. But whatever floats people's boats.

 

[socal]

To each his own, but if RP doesn't get the nomination or run 3rd party I'll just vote for either the Lib or Constitutional party candidate. I want my vote to slightly reduce the percentages allocated to the Repub and Dem nominees, and that's a sure way to do that, and have my vote counted quickly. In 2008, it was 52.9% Obama and 45.7% McCain, so only 1.4% went to other candidates. If in 2012 it ends up being something like 48% Obama and 46% Romney with 6% going to other, I'm sure most Repubs would be able to figure out Paul supporters cost them the election, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

Regardless, since there's not much difference between ABP and Obama, I don't see the big financial backers of ABP and Obama caring one way or the other who wins. But the rank and file Repubs will, and it would be nice to send a message to them that the Paul faction is a force to be reckoned with.

 

[slamhead]

I don't think we should be making this argument, even though people really do seem to like it. We've got our campaign staff talking about how important it is to beat Obama, and Ron Paul supporters saying "we don't care about beating Obama". We have people suggesting we run commercials talking about his electability, and then suggesting that electability isn't at all important to them personally.

If Ron Paul supporters say no one but Paul, what's to stop hawks from saying something else? Pure authentic neocons would likely support Obama over Paul. What would Bill Kristol say about that matchup? We gain independents and 18-29 males from Obama. But we do lose some Republicans.

It is not about the establishment being happy with ending up with Obama again, it is about sending a message to the people who blindly vote for these criminals. I would rather pick up my marbles and go home and be able to tell them..I told you so.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I hate to be raining on everyone's parade, bit I think we are overestimating the current strength of the NOBP movement. The Republican establishment fears Ron running third party and drawing independents away from the Republican nominee (i.e. an Obama victory), but they do not fear RP supporters "taking their toys and going home". I imagine that this number is relatively small percentage of the electorate and I don't think they feel hostage to it. This is substantiated by how relatively well Romney polls head-to-head vs. Obama.

I hope that you are wrong, but I suspect that you are not. It is for that reason that I would be delighted with an independent/3rd-party run by Ron Paul (though I doubt it will happen).

Our efforts should still be to build support for Ron by focusing on the "truth" of his message and what HE plans to do... not what we plan to do.

I agree - but I think "No One But Paul!" is as much a forceful declaration of resolve against compromise & a defiant prophylaxis against co-option as it is a "plan" for what we are going to do.

For me personally, actually voting for NO ONE but Ron Paul is an important manifestation & expression of that resolve & defiance.

 

[slamhead]

Ron polls around 18% as third party, drawing a huge number of independents from Romney. No way he would get 18% as a write-in.

Keep in mind that the only states in 08 that counted the write in votes for Ron Paul were Montana, Louisiana, and California. California only counted him as someone had nominated him as an official write in candidate. What other states even allow write ins? Someone mentioned that certain states have sore loser laws that do not allow someone to be counted in the the general election if they failed to get the nomination in the primary.

 

[affa]

I don't like the "warned" at the end after saying it's not a threat.

"You have been notified."
"You have been informed."
"Now you know." - I like this best.
"Now we're clear."

You have been educated.
??

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As for me, I'm not casting my vote to hurt anybody. I'm not trying to make a statement, or tell the establishment off. I am a Constitutionalist. I can only vote for candidates who uphold and defend the Constitution. In 2012, that is only Ron Paul. My vote is not vindictive, it is principled. Obey the Constitution or you don't get my vote, full stop. I am not voting for the man, but the idea. Given the garbage being nominated today at the behest of the war-profiteer-owned mainstream media, this is effectively the same as "no one but Paul" but I assure you if the GOP nominated a strict Constitutionalist other than Paul, that candidate would get my vote in November. The problem, of course, is that our system has become so corrupted with lobbyists and special interests that there may only be three to five members of the entire Congress (House and Senate combined) who we can trust to uphold and defend the Constitution, and nearly all of them carry the same special-interest fabricated stigma as Ron Paul.

The same voters who complain about the special interests during non-election years, will happily line up to the trough and re-elect the very special interest champions they ordinarily claim to despise. This is why America is in the process of collapse, and the only solution is for the voters to read the Constitution and vote according to it. Abolish the special interests through Constitutional compliance. It can be done, and it must be done. Indeed, it is the only way to save America.

 

[klamath]

It changes the narrative from 'Romney is the only one who can beat Obama' to 'Ron Paul is the only one who can beat Obama'. Just as the media instills doubt and fear in the populace every day, and undermines and diminishes Ron Paul every day ('unelectable', etc) this meme says: you asked for it. you got it. you pushed us away.

I don't care if it hurts their feelings. If Ron Paul is not the nominee, the media will be sure to put the blame squarely on us no matter what, calling Ron Paul a spoiler. We might as well own it and use it our way, now, when it can still wake people up.



While I disagree with your first half, this is still a good thing then assuming the second half, is it not?

No it doesn't change the narative. Polls showing RP doing well against Obama can change that. The meme NOBP will not change the narative and make RP win as long as Romney is consistently doing better against Obama than RP.
It tells them the party is split but any politcal operative can tell you that without hearing NOBP every little while. It is no secret just by the fact that as soon as the other candidates figured RP wasn't a real threat they started making nice to him. The only thing they could do is make RP VP which they will never do.

 

[Student Of Paulism]

Voting for anyone else would go against everything i believe in and stand for when it comes to Paul's fight and message. It would be totally selling out in my opinion, at least when it comes to the party's garbage candidates that are up there right now. I guess i could vote for GJ in the LP depending on the situation at the time, but id still much rather write Ron in anyway.

And as far as R-Party ethics go, they could care less who wins. Both parties are rotten to the core, shill for the same elites and globalist hegemony agenda, that being, financial, economic and military terrorism here and around the globe, and as said above, these republicans are nothing but socialist scum at heart. The R-Party bureaucrats (hell, aristocrats in how they see themselves now) way up there on the totem pole would rather see Obama back when it comes down to it, because the agenda as i previously mentioned, will be kept in place with maybe some very minor disagreements, but the overall plan will still make them happy enough. They are only playing a game right now with Mitt and Newt, 'hoping' they will win (especially lunatic Newt, so they cant start false flag attacks, more freedoms taken away, more forced inoculations and eugenics systems, and ww3 within 6 months of being potus), but if not, it doesn't matter and they essentially still win anyway. Keeping Paul from winning, or anyone like him, is their real fight here and has been this whole cycle, as they know their establishment robots will be easily crushed in the general election.

 

[Edward]

I hope that you are wrong, but I suspect that you are not. It is for that reason that I would be delighted with an independent/3rd-party run by Ron Paul (though I doubt it will happen).

I, too, doubt that Ron will run third party if he fails to get the Republican nomination, but I will support him wholeheartedly if he does... even if that means handing the election to Obama. If Obama is elected, our cause gets another shot in four years. If Romney is elected, we won't get another shot for eight years. In my opinion, and I know others disagree, Romney and whichever democrat may succeed him in 2016 will cause more damage to America in eight years than Obama will cause in four.

I agree - but I think "No One But Paul!" is as much a forceful declaration of resolve against compromise & a defiant prophylaxis against co-option as it is a "plan" for what we are going to do.

For me personally, actually voting for NO ONE but Ron Paul is an important manifestation & expression of that resolve & defiance.

I will consider whatever endorsement Paul may choose to make if he doesn't get the nomination, but I will likely do the same.

 

[Travlyr]

No it doesn't change the narative. Polls showing RP doing well against Obama can change that. The meme NOBP will not change the narative and make RP win as long as Romney is consistently doing better against Obama than RP.
It tells them the party is split but any politcal operative can tell you that without hearing NOBP every little while. It is no secret just by the fact that as soon as the other candidates figured RP wasn't a real threat they started making nice to him. The only thing they could do is make RP VP which they will never do.

It does indeed change the narrative. Mitt Romney can not win without Ron Paul's supporters, yet Ron Paul can beat Obama because many Democrats and Independents want jobs and an end to the wars. That's what Ron Paul offers. When the soldiers come home then they will be spending their money here at home. The economic boom would be virtually immediate and sustaining. Peace and Prosperity.

The No One But Paul theme is honest. It is less of a warning to the Republican establishment yet more informational to the rank and file Republicans as it is just telling them the truth. If Republicans want to win, then they need to nominate Dr. Ron Paul. That is their only choice.

 

[klamath]

It does indeed change the narrative. Mitt Romney can not win without Ron Paul's supporters, yet Ron Paul can beat Obama because many Democrats and Independents want jobs and an end to the wars. That's what Ron Paul offers. When the soldiers come home then they will be spending their money here at home. The economic boom would be virtually immediate and sustaining. Peace and Prosperity.

The No One But Paul theme is honest. It is less of a warning to the Republican establishment yet more informational to the rank and file Republicans as it is just telling them the truth. If Republicans want to win, then they need to nominate Dr. Ron Paul. That is their only choice.

Unfortunately NO polls show this. RP loses more Republicans than he gains in indy and dems or he would not be second to Romney in head to head polling against Obama.

 

[Travlyr]

Unfortunately NO polls show this. RP loses more Republicans than he gains in indy and dems or he would not be second to Romney in head to head polling against Obama.

The media is still lying. The truth is that the Federal Reserve System is a criminal organization. There is no reason to keep it. By November 2012, a majority of people will get it.

 

[Edward]

Mitt Romney can not win without Ron Paul's supporters, yet Ron Paul can beat Obama because many Democrats and Independents want jobs and an end to the wars.

This is only true if Ron does not run third party.

 

[klamath]

The media is still lying. The truth is that the Federal Reserve System is a criminal organization. There is no reason to keep it. By November 2012, a majority of people will get it.

Well if you want to go down that route it is a usless discussion because if we want to chalenge every number out there then it is pointless. You have absolute nothing to prove to me that RP can even began to chalenge Obama except what you personally feel.

 

[Occam's Banana]

As for me, I'm not casting my vote to hurt anybody. I'm not trying to make a statement, or tell the establishment off. I am a Constitutionalist. I can only vote for candidates who uphold and defend the Constitution. In 2012, that is only Ron Paul. My vote is not vindictive, it is principled. Obey the Constitution or you don't get my vote, full stop. I am not voting for the man, but the idea. Given the garbage being nominated today at the behest of the war-profiteer-owned mainstream media, this is effectively the same as "no one but Paul" but I assure you if the GOP nominated a strict Constitutionalist other than Paul, that candidate would get my vote in November. The problem, of course, is that our system has become so corrupted with lobbyists and special interests that there may only be three to five members of the entire Congress (House and Senate combined) who we can trust to uphold and defend the Constitution, and nearly all of them carry the same special-interest fabricated stigma as Ron Paul.

The same voters who complain about the special interests during non-election years, will happily line up to the trough and re-elect the very special interest champions they ordinarily claim to despise. This is why America is in the process of collapse, and the only solution is for the voters to read the Constitution and vote according to it. Abolish the special interests through Constitutional compliance. It can be done, and it must be done. Indeed, it is the only way to save America.

This. (And I don't understand the logic of votiing "against" any of the establishment candidates, anyway - Republican or Democrat, they're all so interchangeable.)

I would absolutely love to be able to say "No one but Paul! Or this person! Or that person! Or ..."

The only way we'll ever have such options is if we support (with our time, effort &/or money) not only Ron Paul, but others who are dedicated to the same cause.

Then there may come a day when we can say, "No one but Paul - or Bradley - or Amash - or Kwiatkowski - or Massie - or Curtman - or ....."

 

[Travlyr]

Well if you want to go down that route it is a usless discussion because if we want to chalenge every number out there then it is pointless. You have absolute nothing to prove to me that RP can even began to chalenge Obama except what you personally feel.

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