I give up (not what you think)

[Kade]

Are you talking about this?

That's pretty offensive.

I suppose I could post pretty pictures too:

 

[brandon]

It's supposed to be funny, not offensive.

And I voted for Nader in '04

 

[Kludge]

Lol @ Neo liberals/conservatives

 

[Kludge]

I voted for Nader in '04

Looooooseeeer...

 

[brandon]

Looooooseeeer...

It was mostly a protest vote. The Dem's in PA conspired to block him from getting ballot access. I decided to write him in because I didn't like any of the other candidates at the time.

If I could go back in time I would vote for Badnarik now.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Are you talking about this?

"Moral relativty gray area"

Hilarious.

 

[nate4ron]

Wow, it got a bit heated in here. I don't advocate calling Obama supporters, or my family and friends for this matter, "stupid dummies." After all, I too am a former neoconservative who voted twice for George W. Bush.

I agree that it's not a waste of time to plant the seeds of ideas in their heads now for the sake of the future; property rights, self-responsibility, individualism, liberty, sound money, sensible foreign policy, the danger of the two current dominant parties, etc. However, as I've said before, as it stands now, they don't want to "waste" their vote. I cannot get any further than that, sadly.

I did have a victory today, just 20 minutes ago! A friend of the family visited us down here from up north, and he noticed the sign on the back of our cars that has the names of Obama and McCain scratched out with "Barr '08!" on the bottom. He questioned me about this. Here is a summary of how the conversation went:

Him: "Who is this Barr?"

Me: "Well, he's the Libertarian candidate who most closely aligns himself with the beliefs of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, especially with regards to foreign policy. You might recall that wh..."

Him: "You've got yourself a voter! I fell in love with Ron Paul when I read about him! I can't stand Obama, but I didn't think I had any other choices. Screw Obama! I'm voting for this Barr fellow!"

We went on to discuss the logics of foreign policy and personal responsibilies and found ourselves to be very similar. So he and his wife will be voting for Bob Barr in November.

Sorry, Obama, but you just lost two votes to Barr! I must apologize.

As for the 20 or so family and friends around me, I can't get my hopes up. I've nearly exhausted myself with them. I will, however, try to inform them whenever the chance arises, at least for future's sake.

 

[armstrong]

lol that was funny

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

I take offense to this...

I think you should stop calling the liberals who support Obama "dumbed down". They can be reached, and they ought not to have your dumb asses insulting them... most of them are vastly more intelligent than the clowns on this forum.

While I agree that calling Obama supporters "dumbed down" isn't helpful, the idea that "most of them are vastly more intelligent than the clowns on this forum" is quite silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wPDg9y_bpM&eurl

You did say 'liberals' who support him, but I'm assuming the majority who support Obama would call themselves liberals.

Besides, I don't see how Obama is really any better than Bush *originally* was. Obama is wrapping Bush's policies up in a prettier package and leaving enough room for one to interpret them into being whatever one wants. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVHJY-RNSA In other words, Obama is more Bush than Bush was when he first ran.

On the other hand, to give credit where credit is due, Obama has been taking a harsh beating on Dem sites for weeks now. That is a very positive sign. Many Democrats have started to voice the concern that I've mentioned below.

Then again...
Glenn Greenwald, Salon.com: "In the past 24 hours, specifically beginning with the moment Barack Obama announced that he now supports the Cheney/Rockefeller/Hoyer House bill, there have magically arisen -- in places where one would never have expected to find them -- all sorts of claims about why this FISA "compromise" isn't really so bad after all."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/21/obama/

My concern, long before these more recent events, was that Obama would do to the Dem party what Bush did to the Rep party. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. It wouldn't bother me if it was shown my concerns were unwarranted.

All of that aside, elections don't seem to have much to do with intelligence. Blind loyalty to a party -- and the influence of the media -- seem to be more relevant than voter intelligence.

"If America was a smarter country, wouldn't [Ron Paul] be leading in the polls?" --Bill Maher

 

[kombayn]

Simply putt to the common man Bobb Barr and Baldwin votes are wasted votes; its never gonna change anything. There running THIRD PARTIES. Not even independently. Third Parties never do anything; even if they got a record showing; they wouldn't even make the news. People just don't care.

I personally rather vote for an independent candidate right now than either Barack Obama or John McCain. They're both part of the statist-quo. Obama completely lost me after he supported the new FISA bill. Right there I realized, we're going to be at war for another 4 years, sure we'll get out of Iraq but we're simply going to redeploy to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and keep trying to strong-arm Iran.

 

[electronicmaji]

I personally rather vote for an independent candidate right now than either Barack Obama or John McCain. They're both part of the statist-quo. Obama completely lost me after he supported the new FISA bill. Right there I realized, we're going to be at war for another 4 years, sure we'll get out of Iraq but we're simply going to redeploy to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border and keep trying to strong-arm Iran.

OH feel free to do that; just realize that your vote won't be worth two shits and no one will give a fuck. Probably ever.

 

[pacelli]

OH feel free to do that; just realize that your vote won't be worth two shits and no one will give a fuck. Probably ever.

Wrong. I give a fuck.

 

[brandon]

OH feel free to do that; just realize that your vote won't be worth two shits and no one will give a fuck. Probably ever.

Why are you still here? Didn't get any responses on your OK Cupid personal ad?

 

[electronicmaji]

I voted for GW twice... he was a far better choice than either Al Gore or John Kerry. I don't regret my choice.

So Bush was better, and did better then either of those candidates would have?

Kludge was right about people on this forum being stupid. Its downright neanderthal in here.

 

[electronicmaji]

Why are you still here? Didn't get any responses on your OK Cupid personal ad?

Ok lets bring this up; What exactly is wrong with having a online personal, jesus fucking christ on a pogo stick! Can someone explain this to me? Hmm?

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

In your mind, it wasn't a mistake? If that is your stance... we have issue.

I don't know that Gore would have been worse... I don't see the economy suffering this badly.

Gore is much like Clinton... a "Radical Centrist", especially in regards to the economy... you have a really hard sell here.

View Jaaaman's; create date, Avatar & Posts, this will give you a bit of a insight, until then:

"A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."

Always point out how the average American Citizen/TAXPAYER - PAYS for ALL the government ACTIONS BAILOUTS, AID, FOREIGN EMPIRE BUILDING, etc etc

For the thread... I voted NADER

 

[muh_roads]

Don't even talk about politics, start teaching them thoroughly about the Federal Reserve.

Yep. Then rub it in their face when you make a killing on gold & silver 4 years from now.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

As the video presentation "How to Sell Liberty" outlined, you should FIRST "make their issue your issue" (i.e. seek first to understand, then to be understood), and THEN start putting the issue(s) into perspective of Ron Paul's position and voting record vs Barack Obama's voting record. If you create a "my guy versus your guy" conversation right from the get-go, it'll turn them off. But, if you start with the issue, like a previous replier here did by suggesting you discuss the Federal Reserve, you can ease them into the "meat" of the argument.

I feel you, man; trying to convince these Bible Belters that just because Huckabee was a preacher and had Chuck Norris following him around, didn't mean he knew how to strengthen our economy and stop overseas anti-Americanism. Good luck.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

EDIT: Ignore. Basically everything in my post was said before. (That's why its a good idea to read some previous comments before you post...)

... I had hopes of converting ...

You still can!

How to Sell Liberty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shEnY_lcQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLFGjeXQuE8


Or here's a book you can buy (never read but it looks helpful, and they say it is in high demand)
http://www.theadvocates.org/secrets.html

 

[Andrew-Austin]

So Bush was better, and did better then either of those candidates would have?

Kludge was right about people on this forum being stupid. Its downright neanderthal in here.

You best actually make some legitimate point here, instead of just serving as the forum's whining contrarian, to be able to call the membership here stupid.