I don't believe in Jesus Christ

An atheist may be capable of acting morally, but they will never know why they are acting morally or why that action is moral.

Bullshit.

Concluding why behaving morally is simple: would I want the same thing to happen to me.

Would I want someone else to sell their God to me for their own profit or so they can feel good about themselves? No. Then why would I feel the need to do this to someone else?

The reason I behave morally is because I want to encourage others to behave morally. Not because someone or something (God or Govt) will hold them accountable for their actions, but because it is wrong to cause another person to suffer unjustly.
 
Yeah it is interesting. We do always look better when we judge ourselves by our own standards. Anyone who knows God and has read his word knows that the standard is set so so high that we could never really ever be good enough. I think that's what so cool about Jesus. He took the place for our sins knowing that we'd never be able to do it ourselves. Think of that love. Think of sacrificing yourself or something for someone that just plain didn't deserve it. That's what it's about. It's about love. I really think we're just blessed. We don't deserve his grace but he gives it to us anyway. All we have to do is believe.

To Schiff, you don't have to believe man. That's kind of alright but come on it's not like we can't all get along. We're all different. It's alright man I'll still show you some love.

Have you even once ever lusted at another woman in your heart since you've been married? If you have then your not righteous.Have you ever left work early but still put down a full days work,then your not righteous.Have you ever told a lie? if so ,then your not righteous.

The point is,if your determining whats righteous based on your own opinion than naturally you'll think your a great guy,but to others based on the questions above they might consider you a adulterer,thief and a liar if you did any of those.If a person is left up to themselves to be there own judge of course there going to think they are a righteous person,because its easier than dealing with the never ending things in life that may seem little but are still sin.

Most good people without God just lack opportunity to be corrupt.If put in the right situation they may even surprise themselves how evil they can be when it comes to protecting there lifestyle they've grown accustom too or themselves if they feel threatened.

People don't realize just how much a hand God has in life that protects you from going completely depraved.Your pride will tell you its because your a good man,but in your private times too yourself, of which you know no one can see ,you know how dark and twisted your thoughts can go if you allow them to have there place.
 
I'll admit it. I'm weak. there's no way I could go without wanting or lusting after a cute girl or never being angry with my brother or some guy at work. There's no way I could show love to everyone. The bar is super high. There's no way I'll reach it. I am weak.

To be honest I think you are projecting your own weaknesses onto the rest of us.
 
Bullshit.

Concluding why behaving morally is simple: would I want the same thing to happen to me.

Would I want someone else to sell their God to me for their own profit or so they can feel good about themselves? No. Then why would I feel the need to do this to someone else?

The reason I behave morally is because I want to encourage others to behave morally. Not because someone or something (God or Govt) will hold them accountable for their actions, but because it is wrong to cause another person to suffer unjustly.

If there is no God then there cannot exist such a thing as morality.

I'm glad your recognize morality. But understand that when you do, you're disclaiming atheism.
 
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I wonder how a christian would feel if I - rep them for believing in god.

They'd cry out that they were being persecuted, but genuinely believe it is not only acceptable but expected from them to -Rep anyone who doesnt have the exact same faith. Religion is an excuse by people who claim to be moral to behave immorally because God is always on THEIR side. Now, figure out which side I am talking about...
 
If there is no God then there cannot exist such a thing as morality.

I'm glad your recognize morality. But understand that when you do, you're disclaiming atheism.

No offense but again, bullshit.

I do NOT need the existence of a God to be a good person. Nor does believing that I am a good person somehow imply that I believe in god. I dont, and I dont need people to shove words in my mouth. God doesnt exist, and I am still a good person.
 
Bullshit.

Concluding why behaving morally is simple: would I want the same thing to happen to me.

Would I want someone else to sell their God to me for their own profit or so they can feel good about themselves? No. Then why would I feel the need to do this to someone else?

The reason I behave morally is because I want to encourage others to behave morally. Not because someone or something (God or Govt) will hold them accountable for their actions, but because it is wrong to cause another person to suffer unjustly.

What if I don't care what you think?

What if I said I disagreed and wanted to kill you and all people like you because it pleases me and I don't like you. You can go ahead and tell me that I'm wrong and that you disagree with me but if I have the power and the means and the will and that's what I want then I really don't see how you can claim its objectively wrong for me to go ahead and do what I want. You say its wrong but I say its good and right. Its just my opinion vs yours and since I have the power I win.

And no theist I know of says you can't do good things without believing in God. I believe you can and can recognize good and evil.
 
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I do NOT need the existence of a God to be a good person. Nor does believing that I am a good person somehow imply that I believe in god. I dont, and I dont need people to shove words in my mouth. God doesnt exist, and I am still a good person.

If there is no God, then there's no such thing as a "good person" or even goodness. Edward Snowden's whistle blowing is no more morally good than wind hitting a rock, unless there's a God.

Of course this doesn't mean that atheists can never recognize moral goodness. Atheists, after all, are created in God's image.
 
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No offense but again, bullshit.

I do NOT need the existence of a God to be a good person. Nor does believing that I am a good person somehow imply that I believe in god. I dont, and I dont need people to shove words in my mouth. God doesnt exist, and I am still a good person.

By what standard are you good?
 
If there is no God, then there's no such thing as a "good person" or even goodness. Edward Snowden's whistle blowing is no more morally good than wind hitting a rock, unless there's a God.

Of course this doesn't mean that atheists can never recognize moral goodness. Atheists, after all, are created in God's image.

Twisting facts to support a desired conclusion is just as frequenty enacted by Politicians, Pollsters, and Marketers. Thus, when asked do you believe in God and a person says "No but I still believe I am a good person", the interpreter will interpret this as the person believing in god. Big problem is that it will go on record as such, and purposefully misrepresents the person who flat out said they do not believe in god.

I do believe that Speed Cams are also immoral. A pollster like Frank Lutz will come along and purposefully misinterpret ANY statement I make to support the conclusion he wants to show. "I do not support Speed Cameras of any kind" will be interpreted by Frank Lutz with his twisting of facts and interpretation of my statement to go on record as "I fully support Speed Cameras of Every Kind".

Wanna know why I am an Atheist? Try going to a Catholic School when you are five years old having the same name as the Son of Satan.

Thats all it took for me to recognize that the "Love" that is purportedly demanded by practically every religion is nothing but an excuse to Hate. At the time, I wasnt catholic. I was five. And I was still able to recognize even at that age that Religion is validation for Hate hiding behind the guise of Love. As I grew older, I started to see deeper into this pattern of Hate from Religions. It has nothing to do with God. It has everything to do with providing many people (not singling anyone out here) an excuse to commit the most heinous and immoral acts one can imagine and use Frank Lutz fact twisting logic to turn those immoral actions into falsely validated and falsely moral conclusions. With less verbal diahhrea, religion is abused by many people to hide their own guilt from themselves and others of same / simliar faiths. Conclusion at the time was "although Jesus loves me, Im going to Hell because everyone else told me I am going to Hell because of my name, and it doesnt matter if I do good or not because I was unfortunate enough to have the same name as the Son of Satan." It doesnt matter if that is even where my name came from. It came from a Preist, but that still wasnt good enough to satisfy the intense desire of people to hate me. I didnt push religion away at first, it pushed me away. That lead me to start thinking if they hate me although not having a valid reason to hate me, what other things are they telling me that are also complete bullshit? I concluded they did not really expect me to submit to God, but to submit to their Church. They did not want me to learn, they wanted me to submit to someone else always having more intellectual authority over me than even I have over myself. This helped me to recognize the practice of Religion as a form of Control where men controlled other men, and I refused to submit to anyone ever since. To this day, my Name continues to be a black stain on every first impression I make, and people still wonder why I introduce myself as Bob to anyone I dont know or care to know. My final conclusions about religion is that I am better off completely avoiding every single one of them at all costs out of the knowledge that Religion will only teach me to hide my own immoral behavior from myself teaching me that the word Love only carries the definition of Hate. All of this has forced me to reject the stupidity of those that profess Hate as Love and forced me to decide for myself what is Right and Wrong. And I think I do a much better job of deciding my own morality than even dare to allow it to be influenced by God or Religions.
 
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By what standard are you good?

By what standards are you but your own?

Oh, guess what. Govt will consider neither one of us to ever be "good" because we are both nothing more than Mundanes in their eyes. Good and Bad depends greatly on who you ask.
 
Twisting facts to support a desired conclusion is just as frequenty enacted by Politicians, Pollsters, and Marketers. Thus, when asked do you believe in God and a person says "No but I still believe I am a good person", the interpreter will interpret this as the person believing in god. Big problem is that it will go on record as such, and purposefully misrepresents the person who flat out said they do not believe in god.

I do believe that Speed Cams are also immoral. A pollster like Frank Lutz will come along and purposefully misinterpret ANY statement I make to support the conclusion he wants to show. "I do not support Speed Cameras of any kind" will be interpreted by Frank Lutz with his twisting of facts and interpretation of my statement to go on record as "I fully support Speed Cameras of Every Kind".

Wanna know why I am an Atheist? Try going to a Catholic School when you are five years old having the same name as the Son of Satan.

Thats all it took for me to recognize that the "Love" that is purportedly demanded by practically every religion is nothing but an excuse to Hate. At the time, I wasnt catholic. I was five. And I was still able to recognize even at that age that Religion is validation for Hate hiding behind the guise of Love. As I grew older, I started to see deeper into this pattern of Hate from Religions. It has nothing to do with God. It has everything to do with providing many people (not singling anyone out here) an excuse to commit the most heinous and immoral acts one can imagine and use Frank Lutz fact twisting logic to turn those immoral actions into falsely validated and falsely moral conclusions. With less verbal diahhrea, religion is abused by many people to hide their own guilt from themselves and others of same / simliar faiths. Conclusion at the time was "although Jesus loves me, Im going to Hell because everyone else told me I am going to Hell because of my name, and it doesnt matter if I do good or not because I was unfortunate enough to have the same name as the Son of Satan." It doesnt matter if that is even where my name came from. It came from a Preist, but that still wasnt good enough to satisfy the intense desire of people to hate me. I didnt push religion away at first, it pushed me away. That lead me to start thinking if they hate me although not having a valid reason to hate me, what other things are they telling me that are also complete bullshit? I concluded they did not really expect me to submit to God, but to submit to their Church. They did not want me to learn, they wanted me to submit to someone else always having more intellectual authority over me than even I have over myself. This helped me to recognize the practice of Religion as a form of Control where men controlled other men, and I refused to submit to anyone ever since. To this day, my Name continues to be a black stain on every first impression I make, and people still wonder why I introduce myself as Bob to anyone I dont know or care to know. My final conclusions about religion is that I am better off completely avoiding every single one of them at all costs out of the knowledge that Religion will only teach me to hide my own immoral behavior from myself teaching me that the word Love only carries the definition of Hate. All of this has forced me to reject the stupidity of those that profess Hate as Love and forced me to decide for myself what is Right and Wrong. And I think I do a much better job of deciding my own morality than even dare to allow it to be influenced by God or Religions.

I don't get what any of that has to do with what I said.

But for moral right and wrong actually to be right and wrong, they can't be things one just makes up. There must be a moral law that transcends us. If not, then there's no such thing as moral right and wrong.
 
By what standards are you but your own?

I don't claim to be good. I can never measure up to the one man who was truly good.

But if good is purely subjective, and there is no objective morality, then morality does not exist at all. There is not good or bad, there is no right or wrong.
 
Twisting facts to support a desired conclusion is just as frequenty enacted by Politicians, Pollsters, and Marketers. Thus, when asked do you believe in God and a person says "No but I still believe I am a good person", the interpreter will interpret this as the person believing in god. Big problem is that it will go on record as such, and purposefully misrepresents the person who flat out said they do not believe in god.

I do believe that Speed Cams are also immoral. A pollster like Frank Lutz will come along and purposefully misinterpret ANY statement I make to support the conclusion he wants to show. "I do not support Speed Cameras of any kind" will be interpreted by Frank Lutz with his twisting of facts and interpretation of my statement to go on record as "I fully support Speed Cameras of Every Kind".

Wanna know why I am an Atheist? Try going to a Catholic School when you are five years old having the same name as the Son of Satan.

Thats all it took for me to recognize that the "Love" that is purportedly demanded by practically every religion is nothing but an excuse to Hate. At the time, I wasnt catholic. I was five. And I was still able to recognize even at that age that Religion is validation for Hate hiding behind the guise of Love. As I grew older, I started to see deeper into this pattern of Hate from Religions. It has nothing to do with God. It has everything to do with providing many people (not singling anyone out here) an excuse to commit the most heinous and immoral acts one can imagine and use Frank Lutz fact twisting logic to turn those immoral actions into falsely validated and falsely moral conclusions. With less verbal diahhrea, religion is abused by many people to hide their own guilt from themselves and others of same / simliar faiths. Conclusion at the time was "although Jesus loves me, Im going to Hell because everyone else told me I am going to Hell because of my name, and it doesnt matter if I do good or not because I was unfortunate enough to have the same name as the Son of Satan." It doesnt matter if that is even where my name came from. It came from a Preist, but that still wasnt good enough to satisfy the intense desire of people to hate me. I didnt push religion away at first, it pushed me away. That lead me to start thinking if they hate me although not having a valid reason to hate me, what other things are they telling me that are also complete bullshit? I concluded they did not really expect me to submit to God, but to submit to their Church. They did not want me to learn, they wanted me to submit to someone else always having more intellectual authority over me than even I have over myself. This helped me to recognize the practice of Religion as a form of Control where men controlled other men, and I refused to submit to anyone ever since. To this day, my Name continues to be a black stain on every first impression I make, and people still wonder why I introduce myself as Bob to anyone I dont know or care to know. My final conclusions about religion is that I am better off completely avoiding every single one of them at all costs out of the knowledge that Religion will only teach me to hide my own immoral behavior from myself teaching me that the word Love only carries the definition of Hate. All of this has forced me to reject the stupidity of those that profess Hate as Love and forced me to decide for myself what is Right and Wrong. And I think I do a much better job of deciding my own morality than even dare to allow it to be influenced by God or Religions.


Im sorry you allowed the cruelty and unfair perception by others to destroy your zeal to know God.Trust me though ,they will be judged harshly by God for there injustice.

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

This is why your faith can not be based on the example of men but on the words in the Bible.Reject those if you will but don't hold a fallen man as completely responsible for your lost faith.Many in the Church are just as lost as a depraved man,maybe even more so,because atleast the depraved man openly displays his darkness when the light is shined on it but many of the fallen in the church will hide behind the illusion that attendance at church and being a decent person will get them too heaven and therefor they will never seek to change.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
Why would you think He (Jesus) or Christians hate you? I certainly don't and Jesus most certainly doesn't.

Oh come on now. Many (if not most) Christians do hate atheists. It's a risk to be one living in the bible belt. Blasphemy and heresy are concepts many of the faithful cling to so much that they have never questioned their faith at all and anyone that does risks being disassociated with. It's a real thing.

Several christian sects routinely knock on my door to spread the "good news" yearly. If I were to try such a tactic with my beliefs, I'd be risking physical harm to myself.
 
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