I am worried about people calling for martial law

[phill4paul]

Punk a$$ Trump couldn't even fire Fauci and he had full legal authority to do that. Punk a$$ Trump wouldn't get rid of Inslee even if by some miracle Trump was given a second term. It's Fauci's edicts that empowered Inslee's dictatorship. Trump's response to Fauci? Operation Warp Speed! If Trump pardons Snowden and Assange I will be pleasantly surprised.

Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

 

[jmdrake]

I'm totally getting it. It's all about personalities. Not about our representative Republic. That's fine. Everyone chooses their own course.

Mmmmmm.....what part of I voted for Al Gore but even back then I wouldn't have fought over the election being stolen from him do you not understand? But tell me this, why didn't you fight over what happened in 2000?

 

[jmdrake]

Why not hold Trump to the same standard you hold Inslee?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Invisible Man again.

 

[phill4paul]

Mmmmmm.....what part of I voted for Al Gore but even back then I wouldn't have fought over the election being stolen from him do you not understand? But tell me this, why didn't you fight over what happened in 2000?

20 yrs. ago I was in a completely different mindset. Didn't really give much of a shit about politics living the life in the mountains of Virginia. Good enough answer?

 

[pcosmar]

Why not hold Trump to the same standard you hold Inslee?

Trump has not imposed the Mandated that Inslee has.

Nor the Governor of Michigan that moved Covid Patients into Secured Quarantined Old Folks homes.. against all Known Sound Medical Practice.

and put my Mother "at risk". unnecessarily.

That was NOT TRUMP. That was Stupid Democrat Dictators..
Trump left it to states "rights". (a mistake in my opinion.) but he gets bad advice too.

 

[Invisible Man]

Trump left it to states "rights". (a mistake in my opinion.) but he gets bad advice too.

That's not an accurate characterization. Trump took the lead on this. Those governors acted under his leadership. And it was hardly just Democrat governors. Almost every Republican governor shut their states down too.

Granted, I don't think the nursing home orders were his responsibility. Nor were some other things. But the core of the economic lockdowns came down from him. It was federal initiatives that Trump undertook which made those lockdowns possible and that devastated our economy. There are very few things I can think of that any presidents of either party have done in my lifetime that were as wicked, tyrannical, and destructive, as what Trump did to us these past 9 months in the name of battling COVID.

 

[pcosmar]

That's not an accurate characterization. Trump took the lead on this. Those governors acted under his leadership.

BUll$hit.
That is a Deep stinking and smoking pile of it.
Though he did push funding for the states..most of that has lined Pockets of State Governors. in half the States anyway..

 

[Invisible Man]

BUll$hit.
That is a Deep stinking and smoking pile of it.
Though he did push funding for the states..most of that has lined Pockets of State Governors. in half the States anyway..

That funding is no small part of this.

Those governors used funding he gave them, followed guidance he gave them, enabled by emergency declarations he signed for them, on the pretense of a promise of an imminent vaccine that he made, to be provided by Operation Warp Speed, which he spearheaded. They were not acting independently. They acted in a nationwide coordinated way all at once, under Trump's leadership. This is incontrovertible fact. It happened. And we're still suffering from it.

Trump admits these things and brags about them. He claims he saved 2 million lives.

 

[pcosmar]

Trump admits these things

Yup,,
That is what he does.. He brags and boasts whether he had anything to do with it.. it is his nature and personality..
I don't like it either.. but it doesn't change facts.. Trump Personally had NOTHING to do with this PSYOP that was planned before he was elected.

He is Guilty of listening to the wrong people on occasion.

but so did Ron Paul.

 

[Invisible Man]

Trump Personally had NOTHING to do with this PSYOP that was planned before he was elected.

That is the opposite of a fact. He was the top leader who brought it about in this country. The buck stops with him. Without him, those governors wouldn't have been able to do very much of what they did. He deserves more blame than any of them do.

I agree that his bragging often isn't a good indication of what's actually true. But it's always at least a good indication of what he considers boastworthy. If he didn't actually support the nationwide response to COVID, then why would he brag about doing something he considers bad?

 

[phill4paul]

That is the opposite of a fact. He was the top leader who brought it about in this country. The buck stops with him. Without him, those governors wouldn't have been able to do very much of what they did. He deserves more blame than any of them do.

I agree that his bragging often isn't a good indication of what's actually true. But it's always at least a good indication of what he considers boastworthy. If he didn't actually support the nationwide response to COVID, then why would he brag about doing something he considers bad?

This "buck stops with him" is bullshit, and has always been. Your naivete is mind boggling.

 

[Invisible Man]

This "buck stops with him" is bullshit, and has always been. Your naivete is mind boggling.

Sorry, but he signed what he signed. He's accountable for his actions. Even if he's too weak to want to own that.

If you're going to play those excuse making games, you can make excuses for the governors just as easily as you can for Trump.

 

[phill4paul]

Sorry, but he signed what he signed. He's accountable for his actions. Even if he's too weak to want to own that.

If you're going to play those excuse making games, you can make excuses for the governors just as easily as you can for Trump.

Again you're being ingenuous. But that's the way you role.

 

[oyarde]

i'm not expecting martial law over the election.

 

[oyarde]

This "buck stops with him" is bullshit, and has always been. Your naivete is mind boggling.

I agree , governors are fully responsible for actions .

 

[jmdrake]

20 yrs. ago I was in a completely different mindset. Didn't really give much of a $#@! about politics living the life in the mountains of Virginia. Good enough answer?

Good enough answer to my second question. Non answer to my first. Again, what part of I voted for Al Gore but even back then I wouldn't have fought over the election being stolen from him do you not understand? This isn't simply about personality (though Trump totally sucks). Fighting a bloody war to make sure that one plantation slave master was in charge instead of another makes no sense.

 

[jmdrake]

Yup,,
That is what he does.. He brags and boasts whether he had anything to do with it.. it is his nature and personality..
I don't like it either.. but it doesn't change facts.. Trump Personally had NOTHING to do with this PSYOP that was planned before he was elected.

He is Guilty of listening to the wrong people on occasion.

but so did Ron Paul Barack Obama.

Fixed it for you! FFS I can't believe you've bought into this "Trump had no other choice" crap! The worst think Ron Paul ever did from listening to someone else is to let his name be put on some arguably racist newsletters.

But compare Trump to Obama, especially when it comes to this "psyop" as you so eloquently put it. Under Obama Fauci's funding of Wuhan bat coronavirus research was stopped in 2014. Under Trump it was re-started in 2017. Oh, and it was Trump who tweeted AGAINST the governor of Georgia opening up the Georgian economy "too soon." It's that same republican Georgian governor that supposedly joined in with "stealing" the election from Trump. So...using your logic, you should support the theft of the election from Trump because one of the co-conspirators was protecting his own state from Trump's lockdown tyranny.

 

[XNavyNuke]

I am pretty sure this is the way most folks feel where I am. There are a lot of veterans in my area. Mostly they don't want to fight unless it comes our way. But you never know.

Go to a fish fry at the local VFW and sit at the bar for while to listen. Sure, there will be a couple of loud, obnoxious types, but by an large veterans tend to be small C conservative. They are also willing to let the system play out, right up until the moment they aren't. People remember the French & Indian War veteran Samuel Whittemore for his stand on an April morning in 1775 but he worked within the system right up until the moment he didn't.
https://allthingsliberty.com/2017/06/bayonetting-untold-story-capt-samuel-whittemore/

Many bemoan that the current map looks like red countryside and blue cities, as somehow representing that the geography is not supportive of any significant resistance to the political masters. Unsurprising since the public system education fails to teach that was basically what the colonists faced. The British held every major city during the revolution. The were greeted with open arms by loyalist politicians and partied with the locals whenever they occupied a city. Colonial cities were loyalist demographic strongholds. The businesses there, and therefore the citizenry, were beholden to the British economic and political system. Just as today, New York City had the greatest concentration of statists in the entire nation. The Brits held NYC from the beginning to the end of hostilities.

XNN

 

[Working Poor]

Go to a fish fry at the local VFW and sit at the bar for while to listen.

Yea I have tended bar at many of these events. I have also volunteered to do seated chair massage at several VFW events So I have heard a lot about how the vets feel. I know they don't really want to fight but, they will if it becomes necessary. My dad was in the navy and most of his close friends were all vets of WWII. I was married to a POW Vietnam AF vet electronics expert so I have heard many stories about war.

 

[Anti Globalist]

For what it's worth, we truly don't know what went down when all this coronavirus nonsense started in March. Trump may have been complicit with it from the very beginning, but it's also possible he was forced into a situation where he had no choice but to take it seriously. Either way, I don't imagine we'll get the truth anytime soon.