I am going to back Cruz.

[erowe1]

I'll vote for Cruz if Rand endorses him before Super Tuesday. But that's the most I'll do.

I can see Rand doing that. It won't affect anything I do. But I hope folks here are ready for it.

 

[otherone]

I stuck by Rand in the hopes he could pull it off but it is not happening and it is not going to happen.
Now it is flat out a choice between Cruz Trump Hillary Rubio or Bernie. To fend off the possibility of having to choose between Hillary Rubio, or Bernie over Trump, I have to back Cruz.
Rubio is rapidly going to collect the neoconservative branch and a good portion of the religious right. He is going to surge in NH and the news is going to run with that. Last thing I want is to get stuck in California with a choice between Trump and Rubio. As of now the era of the Paul's is over.
I respect the people sticking by Rand and salute you all for taking a hard stand for the most principled and honorable man running and out of respect to you all and Rand and Ron, I won't be posting anything about Cruz and I probably won't be around much at all anymore. It has been a wild ride these last 9 years Sometime euphoric and sometimes not so great but it has been a life experience.

seriously.
It doesn't matter who you support. Your vote means nothing, your time and money mean nothing.
Your efforts are only important in your mind, not to the presidential race.
The only thing of any importance is that your behavior is in concert with your values.
The state has convinced you that your vote matters more than your integrity.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

 

[opinionatedfool]

Regarding OP... going back to the guy that sent an email just before the caucus saying carson dropped out so the person to support is cruz? Look it up. Very dishonest email that could have made the difference. This and a lot of other things.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why does everyone act so surprised? If he's been around since 07 he seen everything that I've seen and more. And what I've seen here over the last 4 years, ever since June 2012, is a de-emphasis of principle, a muting of the message, and a strong emphasis on winning to the exclusion of everything else.

Nothing in the original post goes against any of those ideas. The whole time all of you " we have to win to be relevant" lot have been trying to convince everybody that it's time to start winning elections, there have been people here trying to remind everybody that the message and the purity of the messenger are what started this now long-dead movement to begin with.

If you don't believe that, and if you still believe that winning is everything, than the original post is the only logical position.

Winning does NOT mean you lose your principles. But, it may mean to know how to sell it to the voting public.

 

[Chieppa1]

No one cares. When the next ground war starts in the ME we will be sure to let you know it's partly your fault.

Ted Cruz: "Lie to America, Because That's What Israel Wants".

 

[fisharmor]

Winning does NOT mean you lose your principles. But, it may mean to know how to sell it to the voting public.

You're absolutely right. And I did not say winning means you lose your principles. I said this, exactly:

Why does everyone act so surprised? If he's been around since 07 he seen everything that I've seen and more. And what I've seen here over the last 4 years, ever since June 2012, is a de-emphasis of principle, a muting of the message, and a strong emphasis on winning to the exclusion of everything else.

Nothing in the original post goes against any of those ideas. The whole time all of you " we have to win to be relevant" lot have been trying to convince everybody that it's time to start winning elections, there have been people here trying to remind everybody that the message and the purity of the messenger are what started this now long-dead movement to begin with.

If you don't believe that, and if you still believe that winning is everything, than the original post is the only logical position.

If we really need to go over all the cases in the last four years where principle was shoved in the back seat, for the umpteenth time here (just that I've been involved in), then we certainly can.

You're right - trying to win does not mean you have to lose your principles.
But the fact is, either that happened, or the principles changed.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Adios, good riddance, delete your account now please.

This...time to get rid of all the fakes.

 

[euphemia]

Cruz has adopted some of Rand's ideas and put them forth as his own. Not an original thinker, Cruz.

 

[Southron]

Cruz has adopted some of Rand's ideas and put them forth as his own. Not an original thinker, Cruz.

He marketed himself as Rand+Defence spending (War). That still appeals to a lot of GOP voters unfortunately.

 

[charrob]

In addition to being the favorite of the Adelsons (both of whom wrote him 2 more big fat checks yesterday) Ted Cruz states he wants "Regime Change" in Iran:

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Can you say "neocon"?

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Can you say "neocon"?

He's a Cuban-Canadian Israeli-firster slime bag lawyer.. Oh and yeah, he's a neocon.

 

[CPUd]

Regarding OP... going back to the guy that sent an email just before the caucus saying carson dropped out so the person to support is cruz? Look it up. Very dishonest email that could have made the difference. This and a lot of other things.

OP does not want to get another "voting violation".

 

[erowe1]

Cruz has adopted some of Rand's ideas and put them forth as his own. Not an original thinker, Cruz.

And those are the good points about Cruz.

 

[dude58677]

Ok, quitter! Goodbye!

 

[69360]

Rand is still in this. It's way to early for you to jump ship. Sleep it off.

No, if you are honest with yourself it is over. There is no recovery from a 4 or 5% 5th place in what was his best chance state. It's only downhill from here. I suspect he will bow out gracefully after NH.

 

[RDM]

Well OP, that's quite a leap you took there. What stopped you from supporting someone like....oh, I don't know...like Clinton? Was it the "R" after his name?

But before entering politics, when he was a $695-an-hour lawyer in private practice, Cruz once delivered a full-throated defense of the stimulus spending he now condemns. In a little-noticed legal brief*Cruz filed in July 2009 on behalf of the Texas Retired Teachers Association, he*argued in favor of the legality and constitutionality of the Texas state government using federal stimulus money to cut a one-time $500 check to some 250,000 retired teachers. Moreover, Cruz touted the economic benefits of the payments and noted that they would help fulfill the mission of Obama’s stimulus. These $500 checks, Cruz wrote, “will directly impact the [Texas] economy…and will directly further the greater purpose of economic recovery for America.”

…Later in the brief, Cruz urged Abbott, a fierce foe of Obama, to green-light the stimulus-backed payments so as to best fulfill the Obama administration’s directive to spend stimulus dollars quickly “to help drive the nation’s economic recovery.” And he concluded the brief with yet another strong plea to approve the payments, insisting that the deal “will directly impact the economy in both the metropolitan and rural areas of Texas, and will directly further the greater purposes of economic recovery for America as envisioned by” the Obama administration.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/read...s-an-aid-to-americas-economic-recovery_042015

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

also, Ted isn't even a natural born citizen. If he becomes the next president like Obama did there is no mistake the entire system is compromised when non-natural born citizens keep getting elected.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

No, if you are honest with yourself it is over. There is no recovery from a 4 or 5% 5th place in what was his best chance state. It's only downhill from here. I suspect he will bow out gracefully after NH.

Yeah, I don't know why he isn't conceding today and dropping out. Maybe to give the supporters and volunteers in NH a chance to cast their vote for him. Nothing else really makes sense when he won't even be in the next debate. I really hope NH is it and he doesn't string it along any further. A lot of people spent a lot of time and money last time on a delegate strategy that was a clear bust after Romney locked it up. I'd say that contributed to the burnout many felt with another Paul campaign this time.

 

[squirl22]

How can anyone support Cruz who was a Rand supporter? Makes no sense..I'm anti-war support Rand's policies and could never support Cruz or any of the other candidates...carpet bombing and making the sands glow? I'm sorry, Cruz is a liar and he talks out of both sides of his mouth. You who support him will be griping, complaining, and moaning if he gets into office. Fair weather friend, good by...please don't troll this site.

 

[Wilf]

Yeah, I don't know why he isn't conceding today and dropping out. Maybe to give the supporters and volunteers in NH a chance to cast their vote for him. Nothing else really makes sense when he won't even be in the next debate. I really hope NH is it and he doesn't string it along any further. A lot of people spent a lot of time and money last time on a delegate strategy that was a clear bust after Romney locked it up. I'd say that contributed to the burnout many felt with another Paul campaign this time.

Maybe this will be the last time that a Paul family will be running for president, so he does not want to go out with a whimper.