I am dying to see another poll

Also you'd think if Jack Tough was up he'd rush out some internal poll with the methodology to give the media something to talk about. Given that he hasn't done that by now I'm thinking he's still down by a lot.
 
Not the oil spill.....how do people in Kentucky feel about Rand saying the Obama administration sounds "un-American"?


The effects of the oil spill are big here in KY. I know in the Louisville area, many people enjoy vacationing in the Destin area. and/or own properties in the area. I can only imagine that oil clumps coming on shore are not going to help many KY folks who own properties in the pan handle of Florida. Yikes!
 
One other thing...Magellan was surprisingly the most accurate pollster. They were the only ones who said Rand would win by 25%. Everyone thought they were way over but they were the closest. They should jump on this.
 
The effects of the oil spill are big here in KY. I know in the Louisville area, many people enjoy vacationing in the Destin area. and/or own properties in the area. I can only imagine that oil clumps coming on shore are not going to help many KY folks who own properties in the pan handle of Florida. Yikes!

Jackass is now using his remarks to portray Rand as a corporatist who thinks businesses should be able to do whatever they want, and is attacking him for saying about the WV coal mine disaster and oil spill that "accidents happen".

Kentuckians do mine coal, so I am worried.
 
Is there any reason why Rasmussen is typically far from the mean (from Gallup, PPP, etc) when it comes to Obama approval ratings?
 
Jackass is now using his remarks to portray Rand as a corporatist who thinks businesses should be able to do whatever they want, and is attacking him for saying about the WV coal mine disaster and oil spill that "accidents happen".

Kentuckians do mine coal, so I am worried.

See the thing that really angers me is that in the same interview he responds to the direct question perfectly fine:

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, you believe the regulation of BP was adequate?

PAUL: I don't know what the regulation of BP is. I think there's hundreds of pages of regulation of drilling in the ocean. And I think most of that's justified. I think we'll have to figure out from this accident, is there anything that could have been done to prevent it? What can we do in the future to make sure it doesn't happen again? So, I think we use logic. We use objective facts. And yeah, we try to go forward. Nobody wants this to happen. I love the beautiful beaches down in the panhandle of Florida. And nobody wants to see oil washing up on the white sand beaches.

Nobody in the media has pointed that out which pretty @$!@$# fundamental to what they're talking about!!!
 
None of the librals would dare touch on what he said about the Civil Rights issue of our era is lack of education, either. I hate this selective hypocrisy!
 
My pessimistic guess, I'd say he's down 5-10 points. Maybe 15, worst case scenario.
 
See the thing that really angers me is that in the same interview he responds to the direct question perfectly fine:



Nobody in the media has pointed that out which pretty @$!@$# fundamental to what they're talking about!!!

I do fear that Rand could lose many votes from the coal miners thanks to that "accidents happen" comment.
 
How have Kentuckians reacted to all this controversy, from what you know?

From what others are saying, it seems like this isn't a big deal and Rand is still way ahead. But I'm not sure how true this is.

I just moved to Louisville three months ago; I lived in Lexington for ten years previously.

The people in Louisville that I do talk to do not think this is a big deal at all. There's some bias built in there, because most of the people I associate with regularly are fairly conservative. They generally do not trust the MSNBC type media; the "racist" accusation is pretty much like a "Wolf!" cry to them. One comment that stuck with me was "Well they said he's racist...next they'll say he wants to take your Social Security." The biggest talk radio station in the state has been overwhelmingly pro-Rand (Mandy Connell especially).

I have some very liberal family members that I see about every 2-3 months, and I'm sure Rand is going to come up with them. I'll be able to give a better perspective on how damaging the CRA thing is with them once I have those discussions.

I do think Rand has an opportunity to win some moderate voters with school choice. He calls it "the civil rights issue of our time", and he's right (not sure he wants to utter those words much anymore, just so Conman doesn't have an opening). My mother worked in the Jefferson County (Louisville) school system 35 years ago, and it was a problem then. It's still a problem today - busing has not worked. It's more a socio-economic thing than a race thing, IMO, but I would LOVE to see the campaign talk about how important education is for our future.

I could rant about education for a while, actually...the KY state system is messed up. But I won't...at least now.

The most important thing to know about Kentucky politically is that there are really three major classes of voters: Republicans, rural Democrats, and Lexington/Louisville Democrats. Conway cleaned up in Jefferson and Fayette counties, but got worked over in the rural areas. Many of those Democrats will vote for Rand. They hate Obamacare and 2nd Amendment restrictions. The eastern part of the state is going to hate Conway's cap-and-trade stance. The economy of the eastern part of the state is largely based on coal (they call it "King Coal" down here), and cap and trade will absolutely kill them.

I had a job that required me to walk a lot of neighborhoods in the summer of 08 (in Lexington); I saw more Palin yardsigns than McCain or Obama signs combined. Kentucky hated McCain but loved Palin, if that tells you anything about where the state as a whole sits on the "conservative" scale. The only issue where I think Rand might be weak *in the state* is foreign policy, but Conway doesn't fare any better, and it's a non-issue this election cycle.

Rand has zero chance to win over Conway primary voters, but I think he should be favored to take the majority of Mongiardo primary voters. I would predict a 55-45 result for Rand in November.

To sum it up...I do not think the media firestorm hurts Rand much in Kentucky. He kills Conway on healthcare, spending, 2nd amendment rights, abortion, cap-and-trade, and maybe some others I'm leaving out. Conway can't win on issues, and Kentuckians will tire of a smear campaign, especially given how contentious the primaries were.

This was longer than I expected, but it's basically the entirety of my rambling perspective on the race as it stands now.
 
So what I can infer from your post is that the issue of school choice would get the urban votes and the Sarah Palin connection would get everyone else?
Here in WV, they love Sarah Palin, too. I don't agree with all her politics but she is a very likeable person.

I'm not saying the people of KY don't follow the issues or anything. Just that personality plays a big factor!:)
 
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Has anyone considered that the previous poll was rigged so that Rand was shown as being unusually strongly supported-

So that when the poll after the primary comes out - it is almost inevitable that his lead will depreciate-

Making it inevitable for the media to write headlines like:


PARTY OVER FOR RAND PAUL?

TEA PARTY IN A PANIC?

RAND PAUL LOSING STEAM?

RAND PAUL CONTROVERSY SHOWS IMPACT IN POLLS.




I hate modern media.
 
So what I can infer from your post is that the issue of school choice would get the urban votes and the Sarah Palin connection would get everyone else?
Here in WV, they love Sarah Palin, too. I don't agree with all her politics but she is a very likeable person.

I'm not saying the people of KY don't follow the issues or anything. Just that personality plays a big factor!:)

Personality and likability is huge. That's one reason I think Rand is going to win fairly big - he's campaigned so hard and met so many voters personally. Spend 5 minutes talking with Rand, and you come away convinced. With Palin in KY, I think a lot of it was Republicans looking for some way to be excited about the McCain ticket, and I think most of the rest was the social conservative base being excited about her.

I think school choice has a chance at winning some "independent" minded voters who would ordinarily lean left. Conway is from Louisville, though, and I'd be shocked if it didn't go to him by over ten points, and I'm frankly not sure the campaign would be wise to make school choice a huge issue. I probably tend to focus on school choice because it's a personal issue for me.

I think if Rand just hammers Conway on Obamacare, spending, and cap-and-trade Rand wins.
 
Has anyone considered that the previous poll was rigged so that Rand was shown as being unusually strongly supported-

So that when the poll after the primary comes out - it is almost inevitable that his lead will depreciate.

Nope. There are plenty of polling companies.

They'd all have to be in cahoots. And in cahoots with Maddow. Seems like an awful lot of coordination and effort for not so much payoff.
 
Is there any reason why Rasmussen is typically far from the mean (from Gallup, PPP, etc) when it comes to Obama approval ratings?


They use three different groups of individuals:
Likely Voters (the only ones that matter): Rasmussen
Registered Voters: PPP for presidential approval
National Adults: Gallup for many issues including presidential approval

Rasmussen uses likely voters, while gallup and others will use all national adults. The media loves using the national adults as they are more socialistic/statist/liberal in their views, but they don't matter. Conservatives normally vote at a higher percentage. Also, some that have been using register voters are weighting their statistics toward 2008 voting (ex: DailyKos, CBS polls), which will not occur in 2010. That year had much higher black and young Americans. Of the ones who had polled in the final three days of the Massuchusetts senate race, DailyKos was the only one that had Massachusetts Senate Race as a tie and Brown won by five. All used likely voters, PPP (Brown+5) was dead on while others slightly overweighted for Brown. Rasmussen did not take a poll in the final week, but was the one that first showed that it was actually going to be a race a couple of weeks out, which brought in alot of other polls. As the polls get closer to November you will see most of the other polling firms on individual races move toward likely voters. Thus it will look more like Rasmussen. Right now when you see national adults as those surveyed look at the question decide which side is more conservative and add five total point shift (ex. 50-50 really means 52.5-47.5). When you see registered voters you need to add 2-4 points to the conservative position, according to the polls internals. I like PPP and Rasmussen, when PPP uses likely voters.

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CBS poll out yesterday. Even though it was all adults they always change the weighting. Yesterday they removed 10% of the Republican respondents and shifted it to independents. It is better than previous polls where they would just shift it to the democrat respondents.

Example: 100 republicans reply, 100 democrats reply, and 200 independents reply. CBS removed 10 republicans and shifted it to independents adjusting the weighting. So the results they show weight it as 90 republicans answered, 100 democrats, 210 independents.

Yesterday poll results:

Obama job approval:
47-43 CBS: (adjusted adults)
48-44 Gallup: (adults, don't know if results are adjusted)
45-46 Fox News: (registered voters, don't know if results are adjusted)
42-56 Rasmussen: (adjusted to likely voters)


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