Hundreds of thousands of Master's degree holders, PhDs on food stamps

I fail to see a problem here,other than the fact that they are getting food stamps,of course.Do away with food stamps and such socialist truck and I would see no problem at all.

In any free market economy,if hundreds of thousands of people are shelling out billions of dollars for a degree that others consider worthless,well that sounds like a personal problem,not a market failure.

Suppose that hundreds of thousands of people were going into billions of dollars of debt to study how to be snake charmers or buggy whip makers,what debt does the rest of society owe them for their perhaps less than timely or intelligent choice?

Nobody is forced to go to college,let alone get a higher degree.If the Masters or higher degree works out for you,great.If it doesn't,don't expect others to pay for your groceries.
 
I wonder if it has become easier to get a degree today than it was, say 60 years ago. Are the universities lowering the standards and allowing more people to get the degrees? Maybe some of these folks would have been better off taking up a trade after high school. There is no shame in that. I'm surprised that bigger entities like corporations don't have their own universites. They could take only as many students as they need and have their employees trained for their position right out of school.
I can understand the frustration of those who can't find work with higher degrees. If they want to work at a fast food place and a few other low paying jobs just to get by, they might not hire you because you are considered "over qualified".
 
American culture has a problem, on the whole we're ignorant, and with more education we're still ignorant. Further education does virtually nothing to prepare most people for the jobs they need to have.

The problem is that in the land of "rugged individualism" we are taught through our entire student careers to be wage slaves. If people were taught to be self-reliant then they wouldn't have to rely on an employer or the government to put food in their mouths.
 
Let's honestly analyze this situation please. Tewnty-five to thirty years ago, those of us who went to college, were going there because we WERE QUALIFIED and could afford it (either through parents, scholarships, and/or loans which which you had to have some ability to prove you could pay back). The degreee itself mattered, but basically, the fact you had more "education" than half the people in the country, meant you had a leg up when it came to getting into a job/career. Sure, the name of the school meant something and the GPA meant something, but usually there was a job waiting for almost anyone with a college degree that wanted one.

Then came 1992...that's when things started to change. That was the first real downturn in a decade. There were still jobs, but that's when what the degree was started to matter.

Those of you who remember Clinton, remember his mantra about EVERYONE NEEDING to go to college? That's when the "needing college" explosion happened. Everyone was getting a degree mainly because high schools were grade inflating, and there were fewer restrictions placed on getting loans. Just so happened that by the end of the 90's, we had a "booming" false economy where anyone with half a brain and could understand a little bit about computers could get a fairly high paying job fairly easily.

Then came the burst of the IT bubble. The high paying jobs were not there for everybody; only engineering, computer science, and other tech majors were finding those jobs. The liberal arts degree was not treated the way it used to be. That led to the explosion in MBAs, JDs, PhDs, etc. Not to mention, a lot of these people weren't all that bright to begin with; just pushed along with high grades, and little to no knowledge of anything other than what was written in their textbook.

That part is on the individual and and on our pathetic public education system.

Now, government has had a big role too. Tax incentives for off-shoring and on-shoring does not help. It should not cost less (disregarding salary) to hire foreigners than Americans. I see it in IT.

Now where you an-caps, and libertarians who argue it's "our fault". At least in IT, I do not understand how we as Americans are supposed to compete with a completely different CULTURE (SE Asians, i.e. Indians). Even before we get into "cost", we are dealing with a people who WILLING ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BECOME WHAT AMOUNTS TO INDENTURED SERVANTS. What most of these on-shored "consultants" do, is go to a "company owned school" for about a year and get "trained" on American banking systems, basic mainframe programming, and a little bit of exposure to networking, internet, etc. It's much less exposure than in a CIS program at most American universities. However, in exchange for the "schooling", the Indian allows himself/herself to be put in an American job less than 48 hours of being told about it. They also allow themselves to be moved anywhere in the United States on 24 hour notice. For their work, they recieve no overtime pay, but are told to work about 75-80 hours a week (the "company" pockets the OT). They live 8-9 to an apartment, usually in some of the worst areas of the cities they are assigned to.

American companies LOVE these people, even though many are clueless as to what they are actually doing. The "company" sells them as highly trained and experienced. Most of them are lying about their ages and experience, saying they're 30, when if they are 25, it's a stretch.

And, these are their BEST people. Their lower-end "employees" are back in India in IT "sweatshops" writing code. It is the equivalent to "if 1000 monkeys sat at typewriters, they'd create the world's greatest novel."

All for $28/hr.

HOW IN THE WORLD IS A TRAINED AMERICAN IT WORKER (Programmer, DBA, Business Analyst, Data Analyst, Project Manager, Network Admin, etc.) WITH A MORTGAGE AND A FAMILY SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WITH THAT? An-caps, so is the answer to basically make yourself homeless or live in the hood, and leave your family to compete with this?
 
Get a PhD in Biomedical science and life would actually feel good. Good hard science is usually funded by the NIH or NASA. Even then they spend too much. Hell, I am working towards my BS so that i could go somewhere.

Too be honest, Don;t get a PhD in the social "sciences" or English

Yea, that kind of fucks those of us who are not good at advanced mathematics or hard sciences....
 
Selling ideas in a global economy is a risky endeavor..

Anything involved with computers other than hardware is an "idea"..

It really doesn't seem to be an intelligent occupation choice for anyone but the very brightest.

A nation of managers and warriors isn't going to last very long.
 
One of the latest estimates of food stamp recipients is 47,100,000. Or, 1/7 Americans. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...s-Outnumber-Populations-Of-24-States-Combined

So 320,000 of them is one in 1468. Hardly surprising, and consider that they didn't say what their age was, so they could be retired or unemployed after working 10 years.

By the way, the idea that food stamp population exceeds population of 24 states says one thing liberals would love to repeat "America is full of space and immigrants won't hurt us!"
 
which wouldn't exist if student loans weren't legal.


Student "loans" should absolutely be legal, but the government should not be involved and a student who goes bankrupt should be able to discharge the debt...

That'd cut the BS right now.
 
Student "loans" should absolutely be legal, but the government should not be involved and a student who goes bankrupt should be able to discharge the debt...

That'd cut the BS right now.

No, no debt should be allowed to be discharged with bankruptcy, how else do you discourage people from taking irresponsible loans?
 
No, no debt should be allowed to be discharged with bankruptcy, how else do you discourage people from taking irresponsible loans?

Bankruptcy has standing going way back in history, much longer than government backed loan agencies..

If lenders had to assume risk they might actually exercise caution..
 
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Bankruptcy has standing going way back in history, much longer that government backed loan agencies..

If lenders had to assume risk they might actually exercise caution..

I can say the same thing to the borrower, if he/she knows he/she can't be bailed out or let off the hook, maybe he/she will exercise caution.
 
It might have something to do with this labor chart Ron tweeted yesterday:

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/297366676222128129

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS12300000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment-Population Ratio
Labor force status: Employment-population ratio
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over

latest_numbers_LNS12300000_2003_2013_all_period_M01_data.gif
 
That's happening now, how's it working out?

they regret taking the loans and are probably telling people to stop falling for the tuition bubble. But the ones who don't have student loans, and get off with bankruptcy are laughing it off and doing it again as soon as they can.
 
Bankruptcy has standing going way back in history, much longer than government backed loan agencies..

If lenders had to assume risk they might actually exercise caution..

Lenders USED TO assume risk. Remember, it was during the early 90's when the Clinton administration started pushing the CRA loans as well as "making it easier" for the poor and NOT QUALIFIED FOR COLLEGE to get loans to go to college, to supposedly "even the playing field".

This isn't ALL on the lenders. When they were forced to do things they shouldn't have, they came up with vehicles they could make money on.
 
Lenders USED TO assume risk. Remember, it was during the early 90's when the Clinton administration started pushing the CRA loans as well as "making it easier" for the poor and NOT QUALIFIED FOR COLLEGE to get loans to go to college, to supposedly "even the playing field".

This isn't ALL on the lenders. When they were forced to do things they shouldn't have, they came up with vehicles they could make money on.

and it DID even the playing field, we now have lots and lots of college graduates which would have never existed, they're more equal now. They might not be more employed or more rich than they were without the degree, but they're closer to degree and dignity equality because they were allowed to get a degree they couldn't afford. And now the job market is saturated with them.

Of course it's not all on the lenders, but what were they forced to do they couldn't escape by changing careers (what they tell people whether entering or exiting colleges to do).
 
I agree 100% which is why I originally suggested getting the government out of the loan business..


Lenders USED TO assume risk. Remember, it was during the early 90's when the Clinton administration started pushing the CRA loans as well as "making it easier" for the poor and NOT QUALIFIED FOR COLLEGE to get loans to go to college, to supposedly "even the playing field".

This isn't ALL on the lenders. When they were forced to do things they shouldn't have, they came up with vehicles they could make money on.
 
I agree 100% which is why I originally suggested getting the government out of the loan business..

what do you mean by getting the government out of it? should the government enforce anti-fraud/contract measures? how can government be out of it if it allows people to discharge debts with bankruptcy?
 
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