Huffinton Post: Hey, Ron Paul Republicans!?! It's Time For A GOP Palace Coup

[mrkurtz]

Can we ban Tones? I hate it. It's obviously just another a neocon, and it pisses me off beyond any point that I could actually identify. God damn.

No. She doesn't insult anyone directly. Yes, she is a well established neo-con, and yes there are still a bunch of sheep-clothed Obama supporters here...

But the main point is that they are here... you know as well as I that their arguments are extraordinarily transparent and vapid. No one here is fooled by it. But as long as they are here, there is a chance to educate the neocons AND the liberals to the tenets of liberty.

Don't give up on Tones, she'll come around eventually.

 

[angelatc]

I blocked her a long time ago, but I really wish more people would. It sucks to start reading a thread that you missed, only to find that it's degenerated into another discussion of Tones.

Like this one.

 

[acptulsa]

I blocked her a long time ago, but I really wish more people would. It sucks to start reading a thread that you missed, only to find that it's degenerated into another discussion of Tones.

Like this one.

Yeah. Unfortunately, the mindset she employs is exactly a microcosm of what we're going to have to learn to deal with and/or persuade if we're ever to pull off this 'palace coup' that the liberals think they want us to execute.

The other thing we'll have to remember is our end game had better be sharp, because if we just divide and destroy the G.O.P. we've merely done the dirty work for the socialists. Not that saving the party would be a boon for the nation--not in it's current form. But dividing conservatives even further than Dubya did is not our best course of action.

We the fiscal conservatives must find a way to draw the other two legs of Reagan's 'three legged stool' of a coalition to us, or we'll get our agenda co-opted (again) just like the evangelicals always do. Don't ever forget that Reagan Himself used us and abandoned us even worse than he used and abandoned the evangelicals.

 

[pacelli]

sarah palin was this forum's pick for Ron Paul's vp.

 

[acptulsa]

Go ahead and ban all the republicans...you'll be left with about 10 people on the forum (and no one will be over 15 years old) ...it's pretty scant now. What do you want? A libertarian forum? I'm quite sure you can make one of those. Ton(ban all the christians while you're at it)

Who got banned? You play the victim almost as well as liberals do...

Look, if there were a really, really nice and inclusive way to say that the policy you were advocating of voting for the lesser of the evils presented, trusting God to abandon his policy (which seems to go back millenia) of not helping those who fail to rise and fight evil themselves to pull our asses out of a sling, placing warmongers with the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands in power in His name just because your false prophet of a preacher fooled you into it, playing into the hands of and promoting the agendas of the most evil bastards on the face of the earth (I mean, come on, Dick Cheney?!?) in God's name, and flatly refusing to admit to yourself that these bastards have been making you promises for generations and have yet to keep one of them (fool me once, shame on you, fool me six thousand nine hundred seventy-two times, well duh) is not the policy that will lead us out of the wilderness and into the Promised Land, don't you think we'd have used it?

Hell, if we could find a nice, non-derogatory way to say all that we'd all be out shouting it from the rooftops right now. And if we do find it, I hope you love your country enough to let us know we've finally done it.

 

[JK/SEA]

TONES IS FAMOUS.

http://www.tones.com/spiceInsights.html

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I guess Tones wins the popularity contest. .....darnit

 

[michigan wolverine]

Most in this group and the campaign for liberty could not organize a coup if their life depended on. After Super Tuesday Ron Paul supporters took their ball and want home. Of the ones that are left most have made fools of themself and pissed of the rank and file members of local parties.

There may be some successes on the local level. Those being in places where there was small local parties. You forget that candidates chose the issues that they run on and not political parties. We need to develope candidates to run in local elections. How can you expect to have any name recognition when your first race is for Congress.

In the races this year the "Ron Paul Candidates" lacked two major things. One was knowing when to shut up. And two a game plan to actually win their campaigns.

The Huffington Post is a democratic sounding board. Of course the would like to see a coup attempt in the Republican Party. It will makes it easier to promote their socialist agenda.

A good example of knowing when to shut up was the Hucklebee thread which Reason magazine quoted him as saying that libertarian ideas were bad for the Republican Party. There were over 300 replies to it. The comments blasted his notion of libertarian ideas being bad for the Republican Party and they blasted his supporters for some of their reasons for supporting him. If Ron Paul and Hucklebee were to run again in 2012. And Hucklebee is forced to drop out of the race before Ron Paul how can you expect a Hucklebee supporter to back Ron Paul after this.

Instead of finding common ground with other candidates and their supporters and building on it. Ron Paul Supporters would rather find differences with people and build fences around those differences.

 

[Danke]

No. She doesn't insult anyone directly.

Yeah, but passive aggressiveness is not cool.

 

[Aratus]

michigan wolverine, are you a mitt romney person? i figure mike huckabee wants to run again, too... in 2012. we know rEVOLUTIOn people are more than hinting at a future run to RON PAUL! right now i feel sorta guilty about not venturing out into the blistery cold winds around my local FED building, even though i knew the very january feeling weather decreased the likelyhood of mayor menino pulling a vintage 1968 "boss" daley on people down to zilch! http://www.bostonteaparty08.com/ right now, there is to be an event at our local FANEUIL HALL that is at least indoors in about three weeks. turns out there is a BOSTON TEA PARTY, too... in addition to the LIBERTARIAN PARTY and the CONSTITUTION PARTY. michigan wolverine, did you know in my home state that was once governed by MITT ROMNEY, there are TWO registered DEMOCRATS to EACH registered REPUBLICAN? there is also a roughly even parity between our INDEPENDENT VOTERS and our registered G.O.P people! its sorta has the DEMOCRATS on our rolls equal to the amount of INDEPENDENTs and REPUBLICANs on our rolls. Each state has a different and unique history, and circumstances. Right now, i feel SARAH PALIN could be the next contender chosen after JOHN McCAIN to narrowly loose to a democrat. I feel that when SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN chose her, this keeps Alaska in our union for at least 20 to 30 more years, and it likewise gives an added vitality to our G.O.P!!! John McCain also sensed the need for internal party reform! ...before the laws of the land get hostile in a big and external way. I feel that MORE people should have listened closely to Ron Paul! in a few weeks, i might just more than tourist myself into FANEUIL HALL! http://www.faneuilhallmarketplace.com/

 

[Madison]

The Huffington Post is a democratic sounding board. Of course the would like to see a coup attempt in the Republican Party. It will makes it easier to promote their socialist agenda.

I agree with your assessment. HuffPo would like us to be divisive and further damage their opposition, not constructively work together with the GOP (no matter how distasteful it may seem to many of us).

 

[hillertexas]

dugg

 

[michigan wolverine]

Aratus I don't know why you think I supported Romney. I have followed Congressman Paul since 1984. And worked on both of his presidential campaigns as volunteer. I have know idea what you are getting at in the rest of your message. Yes the demographics of each state county and parrish in this country are unique.

What I was hoping to drive home is the point that of Hucklebee or any other possible presidential candidate wants to shoot himself in the foot we should let them. There is no call for Ron Paul supporters to be critical of Hucklebee's supporters and some of their reasons for why they support him. It drives the wedge in deeper and turns people off.

More than half of the people the supported Congressman Paul these past two years failed to grasp what was needed to secure the nomination for Congressman Paul. Congressman Paul stated that the only way he was going to win the nomination would have been via brokered convention. Yet his supporters cheered as the other candidates fell by the wayside. Yet based on the actions some Ron Paul supporters they did everything they could to turn off other candidates supporters. There was no attempt to woo them.

I know others have mentioned and are calling for Congressman Paul to make another run in 2012. In all probabilty I will not be active in that campaign. For two reasons. One is that I have plans to support local candidates that follow Congressman Paul's philosophy of smaller government. And the second is that Ron Paul's possible 2012 bid will run into the same obstacles that it did this time around. It has nothing to do with the ideas behind the possible campaign. It has to do with the ineptitude of his supporters.

In the spring of 2010 I have plans to have Ron Paul like candidates be the majority on a local municipal board. I can't say anything more at this time. I am waiting to firm up some commitments of possible candidates. In Spring of 2010 I will be glad to post my success on this forum.

In closing Ron Paul supporters have a lot to learn. They can either learn from their past mistakes or they can continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Based on what I have seen they will continue to make the same mistakes. They are a stubborn bunch that refuse to learn.

 

[stick]

Aratus I don't know why you think I supported Romney. I have followed Congressman Paul since 1984. And worked on both of his presidential campaigns as volunteer. I have know idea what you are getting at in the rest of your message. Yes the demographics of each state county and parrish in this country are unique.

What I was hoping to drive home is the point that of Hucklebee or any other possible presidential candidate wants to shoot himself in the foot we should let them. There is no call for Ron Paul supporters to be critical of Hucklebee's supporters and some of their reasons for why they support him. It drives the wedge in deeper and turns people off.

More than half of the people the supported Congressman Paul these past two years failed to grasp what was needed to secure the nomination for Congressman Paul. Congressman Paul stated that the only way he was going to win the nomination would have been via brokered convention. Yet his supporters cheered as the other candidates fell by the wayside. Yet based on the actions some Ron Paul supporters they did everything they could to turn off other candidates supporters. There was no attempt to woo them.

I know others have mentioned and are calling for Congressman Paul to make another run in 2012. In all probabilty I will not be active in that campaign. For two reasons. One is that I have plans to support local candidates that follow Congressman Paul's philosophy of smaller government. And the second is that Ron Paul's possible 2012 bid will run into the same obstacles that it did this time around. It has nothing to do with the ideas behind the possible campaign. It has to do with the ineptitude of his supporters.

In the spring of 2010 I have plans to have Ron Paul like candidates be the majority on a local municipal board. I can't say anything more at this time. I am waiting to firm up some commitments of possible candidates. In Spring of 2010 I will be glad to post my success on this forum.

In closing Ron Paul supporters have a lot to learn. They can either learn from their past mistakes or they can continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Based on what I have seen they will continue to make the same mistakes. They are a stubborn bunch that refuse to learn.

Who pissed in your cereal this morning?

 

[Orgoonian]

Aratus I don't know why you think I supported Romney. I have followed Congressman Paul since 1984. And worked on both of his presidential campaigns as volunteer. I have know idea what you are getting at in the rest of your message. Yes the demographics of each state county and parrish in this country are unique.

What I was hoping to drive home is the point that of Hucklebee or any other possible presidential candidate wants to shoot himself in the foot we should let them. There is no call for Ron Paul supporters to be critical of Hucklebee's supporters and some of their reasons for why they support him. It drives the wedge in deeper and turns people off.

More than half of the people the supported Congressman Paul these past two years failed to grasp what was needed to secure the nomination for Congressman Paul. Congressman Paul stated that the only way he was going to win the nomination would have been via brokered convention. Yet his supporters cheered as the other candidates fell by the wayside. Yet based on the actions some Ron Paul supporters they did everything they could to turn off other candidates supporters. There was no attempt to woo them.

I know others have mentioned and are calling for Congressman Paul to make another run in 2012. In all probabilty I will not be active in that campaign. For two reasons. One is that I have plans to support local candidates that follow Congressman Paul's philosophy of smaller government. And the second is that Ron Paul's possible 2012 bid will run into the same obstacles that it did this time around. It has nothing to do with the ideas behind the possible campaign. It has to do with the ineptitude of his supporters.

In the spring of 2010 I have plans to have Ron Paul like candidates be the majority on a local municipal board. I can't say anything more at this time. I am waiting to firm up some commitments of possible candidates. In Spring of 2010 I will be glad to post my success on this forum.

In closing Ron Paul supporters have a lot to learn. They can either learn from their past mistakes or they can continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Based on what I have seen they will continue to make the same mistakes. They are a stubborn bunch that refuse to learn.

Correct me if i am wrong here,but the gist of your post to me says that Dr.Paul lost the primary because of his supporters?

I dont know what planet you were on during the primaries,but what you are saying is complete,and utter bovine feces.
I'm not one for big conspiracy theories,but i witnessed first hand a media blackout,strange sound effects when Dr.Paul was speaking at debates,along with hysterical laughter,and a G.O.P attempt to smear one of their own.
I realize that politics is a dirty game,but when the media gets involved in the dirt,it is hard to overcome the mentality of sheep.

I witnessed the same deal during Pat Buchannan's run.Almost the exact same playbook.


Dr.Paul lost because he would upset the party.Period,end of story.
If you want to blame supporters for the loss,so be it,maybe some of the more gullable will buy into your theory.

 

[JohnJay]

Ron Paul does look like the undertaker, doesn't he?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/hey-ron-paul-republicans_b_145745.html

This part of the Huffington Post article makes sense . . .

"That stuff Republicans are now realizing they have to do in the future? Paul did it months ago.
Excited new voters beyond the base? Check.
Raised massive amounts of money from small donations online? Ditto.
Legions of creative people generating their own campaign content on YouTube and beyond? Did it.
Young voters? Had those.

The biggest problem for Ron Paul and his supporters is the turd-in-the-punchbowl way they were treated by the Republicans."

I really had never heard of - and don't agree -with the funeral director look-alike criticism . . .