Huckabee compares being gay to using alcohol, profanity

[Millennial Conservatarian]

lol and they wonder why they continue to lose national elections...

 

[VIDEODROME]

True. But the problem that we are facing is more akin to the federal government saying "States you can't ban alcohol even if you want to" and worse "private church, you can't ban alcohol either." When you have people being sued for not wanting to bake cakes or same sex weddings, that's where we are headed. But the real test will be when gay couples try to get into married student housing at Christian colleges and universities. If a Christian college tried to keep interracial married couples out of married student housing it could lose it's tax exempt status. That's already been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Yeah, the Tax Code is where so much bullshit begins. Or really, trade your freedom for a tax break.

Or even Licensing marriage.

Also, of course the States should primarily be telling the Federal Government what to do, not the way it has been.

 

[VIDEODROME]

lol and they wonder why they continue to lose national elections...

The middle class and economy is in decline, but no let's ignore real issues and focus on moar social conservatism.

Next we'll be talking about violent video games.

 

[jmdrake]

It doesn't really surprise me that men in confinement who have no other sexual outlets would have that problem.

So I take it that you no longer find it "laughable?"

I'm not even talking about your close friend. You seem to think that it helps your case that a person's sexuality is not always black and white? My point, which still stands, is it seems that you don't believe people who claim that their sexual orientation is not a choice. Do you believe me, as a straight person, that I cannot simply choose to change my sexual orientation? If you don't believe me, then that proves my point. And if you do believe me, then it would be hypocritical not to believe others who claim the same thing about theirs.

You really are a piece of work you know that? The only reason I brought up my friend is because you wrongly assumed I didn't have any gay friends or family. Then you wrongly assume I accused her of lying about her sexuality. And now you want to pretend that't not what you are talking about when you brought up the subject of gay friends and family? Really?

And for the record I never said I believed them or that I didn't believe them. Since I don't know every gay person on the planet I don't know. Unlike people such as yourself, I don't pretend to know anything about people I've never met. This is what I said:

There's no proof that being gay isn't a choice either. Maybe both are choices, maybe neither are. So what? Since there is no scientific proof about this either way, why hate on Huck about that?

Now, how the hell did you pull from ^that that I believed anything either way? Seriously, start actually reading what I write before you make stupid assumptions. The bottom line is, nobody knows for sure what causes people to be gay and that includes gay people. Did you watch the Antoine Dotson videos I posted? In the second one, where he said he was no longer gay, people from your side of the argument accused HIM of lying! Why are you not calling THEM out!

 

[Crashland]

So I take it that you no longer find it "laughable?"

No, what I find laughable is your suggestion that today you can just arbitrarily choose to actually be attracted to a different gender than the one you have always been attracted to. That's not exactly what happens when men in prison are desperate for sex objects. Sexual orientation is something you realize or discover, not choose.

You really are a piece of work you know that? The only reason I brought up my friend is because you wrongly assumed I didn't have any gay friends or family. Then you wrongly assume I accused her of lying about her sexuality. And now you want to pretend that't not what you are talking about when you brought up the subject of gay friends and family? Really?

Yes I brought up the subject of gay friends and family. You responded with an example of some friend of yours who wasn't really gay. I wasn't talking about your not-gay friends. I was talking about someone who, unlike your friend, does NOT have an attraction to the opposite sex.

And for the record I never said I believed them or that I didn't believe them. Since I don't know every gay person on the planet I don't know. Unlike people such as yourself, I don't pretend to know anything about people I've never met. This is what I said:

There's no proof that being gay isn't a choice either. Maybe both are choices, maybe neither are. So what? Since there is no scientific proof about this either way, why hate on Huck about that?

Now, how the hell did you pull from ^that that I believed anything either way? Seriously, start actually reading what I write before you make stupid assumptions. The bottom line is, nobody knows for sure what causes people to be gay and that includes gay people. Did you watch the Antoine Dotson videos I posted? In the second one, where he said he was no longer gay, people from your side of the argument accused HIM of lying! Why are you not calling THEM out!

I don't accuse him of lying. I think it is definitely possible to have your sexual orientation change over time. What I find so wacky though is the notion that we need to prove scientifically that your orientation is not a choice. It's like if someone says they don't like Rap music, responding with "well there is no scientific proof either way whether liking Rap music is a choice or not", implying that you are remaining agnostic as to whether they actually chose to dislike Rap or if they just don't like Rap. It's ridiculous. You can choose whether to listen to Rap, but you can't choose whether or not a song sounds pleasant to you. It's the same thing with being straight, bi, or gay.

 

[jmdrake]

No, what I find laughable is your suggestion that today you can just arbitrarily choose to actually be attracted to a different gender than the one you have always been attracted to. That's not exactly what happens when men in prison are desperate for sex objects. Sexual orientation is something you realize or discover, not choose.

Bollocks. What you responded to when you called it "laughable" was my description of what happens to men in prison and my statement that I'm not 100% sure if I was in prison that couldn't happen to me.

Yes I brought up the subject of gay friends and family. You responded with an example of some friend of yours who wasn't really gay. I wasn't talking about your not-gay friends. I was talking about someone who, unlike your friend, does NOT have an attraction to the opposite sex.

Non sequitur. She believed she was. I took her word for it until it was obvious to me (but not her at first) that she wasn't. So for the sake of your stupid argument, it didn't matter that she wasn't really gay. It's quite possible that have at least one friend that thinks that he or she is gay but really isn't as well.

I don't accuse him of lying. I think it is definitely possible to have your sexual orientation change over time. What I find so wacky though is the notion that we need to prove scientifically that your orientation is not a choice.

So now science is "whacky?" Is homosexuality a religion for you now? It certainly seems like it. You contempt for people that have the audacity to say "You know what? I don't know. And you don't know either" is what is "whacky." It's a type of political correct superstition.

It's like if someone says they don't like Rap music, responding with "well there is no scientific proof either way whether liking Rap music is a choice or not", implying that you are remaining agnostic as to whether they actually chose to dislike Rap or if they just don't like Rap. It's ridiculous. You can choose whether to listen to Rap, but you can't choose whether or not a song sounds pleasant to you. It's the same thing with being straight, bi, or gay.

LOL. Seriously? You honestly believe that someone's taste in music is fixed? I thought you were joking. But you are serious. Goodness, where on earth do you come up with this crap? Do some research on mind plasticity before you continue to spout off about things you are clearly clueless about. Taste in music is learned, not fixed. And taste in music can change.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Well. I kind of keep going into the den to peek in on the Superbowl. Once I peeked in and I saw a world wide performance about a girl kissing a girl...and she liked it. Then I saw a beer commercial.

Interesting "programming" there on the boob tube tonight. So Huck may be on to something. Heh.

Ah, well....

 

[Crashland]

Bollocks. What you responded to when you called it "laughable" was my description of what happens to men in prison and my statement that I'm not 100% sure if I was in prison that couldn't happen to me.

Okay, so you're not sure if it couldn't happen to you. Fine. That is not what I was asking. I was asking if you can choose to be attracted to a different gender.

Non sequitur. She believed she was. I took her word for it until it was obvious to me (but not her at first) that she wasn't. So for the sake of your stupid argument, it didn't matter that she wasn't really gay. It's quite possible that have at least one friend that thinks that he or she is gay but really isn't as well.

Ok, so when you took her word for it and during that time when you did not realize she might not be gay, did you think her being gay was her choice?

So now science is "whacky?" Is homosexuality a religion for you now? It certainly seems like it. You contempt for people that have the audacity to say "You know what? I don't know. And you don't know either" is what is "whacky." It's a type of political correct superstition.

Who said anything about science being whacky? I am saying the question itself makes as much sense as the example with the music tastes. But anyway, I like that you use religion as an insult.

LOL. Seriously? You honestly believe that someone's taste in music is fixed? I thought you were joking. But you are serious. Goodness, where on earth do you come up with this crap? Do some research on mind plasticity before you continue to spout off about things you are clearly clueless about. Taste in music is learned, not fixed. And taste in music can change.

I never said that taste in music is fixed, and I never said that sexual orientation is fixed. What I am saying is that you don't CHOOSE those things. Music tastes can change over time and so can sexual orientation. Just because it can change doesn't mean it's something you choose for yourself. Some people can force themselves to listen to classical music or rap music all the time and never acquire an appreciation for it. And I am sure if you really wanted to test yourself, you could try having sex with a bunch of other people of your same sex and see if you ever learn to like it. Some people maybe they could. But regardless of whether you can or can't, whether or not you like it is not something that you choose.

 

[jmdrake]

Okay, so you're not sure if it couldn't happen to you. Fine. That is not what I was asking. I was asking if you can choose to be attracted to a different gender.

Again, without being in a situation that might prompt such a choice there is absolutely no way to know. Would I choose to be in prison where there is no possibility of sexual release with a woman and where there is an unfortunate number of gay sexual predators? No. But that doesn't mean anything with regard to what could happen. And you don't know what could happen to you under those circumstances either even if you think you do.

Ok, so when you took her word for it and during that time when you did not realize she might not be gay, did you think her being gay was her choice?

I honestly wasn't sure. I had known her for years and she was very much heterosexual. We fell out of contact and then she was sure she was gay. I didn't make sense to me that she would go from being 100% straight to 100% gay with no transition in between, but if that's what she believed that's what she believed.

Who said anything about science being whacky? I am saying the question itself makes as much sense as the example with the music tastes. But anyway, I like that you use religion as an insult.

I'm using it that way because you are acting religions (asserting something must be true without any scientific basis for saying so) while claiming not to be religious. But your "music" example makes you look stupid. Seriously, you taste in music has never changed? You have never disliked a style of music only to years later like it and vice versa? Well..I feel sorry for you then. Sounds like a boring life.

I never said that taste in music is fixed, and I never said that sexual orientation is fixed. What I am saying is that you don't CHOOSE those things.

You can, at least when it comes to music. It's called giving something a chance. People do that for various reasons. Maybe a guy hates classical music but decides to give it a real chance because a woman he's interested in plays for the symphony. Maybe some kid starts listening to rap music in high school to try to be "cool" and starts to like it. The idea that you can't learn to like something is ridiculous. Is it like a light switch that you can just turn on or off? No. But given time you can change your preferences, at least when it comes to music.

But regardless of whether you can or can't, whether or not you like it is not something that you choose.

^That is total nonsense. People most certainly learn to like something.

Educate yourself. If you can retrain your tasted buds to like healthy food then you can retrain your ear to like different music.

http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/nutrition_news_information/retrain_your_taste_buds

 

[jmdrake]

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[navy-vet]

If huckleberry gets in by some fluke, they might have "Pray the Gay Away" breakfasts with the Bachmans!

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

lol and they wonder why they continue to lose national elections...

No, it's the foreign policy and the lack of any distinction between them and the Democrats on economics that makes them lose.

 

[Crashland]

Again, without being in a situation that might prompt such a choice there is absolutely no way to know. Would I choose to be in prison where there is no possibility of sexual release with a woman and where there is an unfortunate number of gay sexual predators? No. But that doesn't mean anything with regard to what could happen. And you don't know what could happen to you under those circumstances either even if you think you do.

Yes, the key words being happen to you. Not choose.

I'm using it that way because you are acting religions (asserting something must be true without any scientific basis for saying so) while claiming not to be religious. But your "music" example makes you look stupid. Seriously, you taste in music has never changed? You have never disliked a style of music only to years later like it and vice versa? Well..I feel sorry for you then. Sounds like a boring life.

You can, at least when it comes to music. It's called giving something a chance. People do that for various reasons. Maybe a guy hates classical music but decides to give it a real chance because a woman he's interested in plays for the symphony. Maybe some kid starts listening to rap music in high school to try to be "cool" and starts to like it. The idea that you can't learn to like something is ridiculous. Is it like a light switch that you can just turn on or off? No. But given time you can change your preferences, at least when it comes to music.

^That is total nonsense. People most certainly learn to like something.

You keep arguing against something I'm not claiming. I'm not saying you can't acquire a taste in things. But even if you try and give something a chance, whether or not it actually works is not something that you decide. I've never really heard anyone try to argue that homosexuality is an acquired taste. Most people don't become gay because they had gay sex so much that they acquire a taste for it. Straight people don't have to learn to be straight.

 

[navy-vet]

One could theoretically acquire a taste for shit, but what on earth would prompt one to try.....

 

[Coolidge/Dawes '24]

FYI.. this was in response to a completely loaded question about the supposed "disconnect" between having gay friends and supporting traditional marriage. Just thought I'd mention that. Huckabee hit it out of the ballpark on this one, if you actually watch his response:



CNN clearly went out of its way to misrepresent his views on the matter. Just because you believe someone is a sinner or have lifestyle preferences that clash with theirs doesn't mean you can't be friends with them. You can be friends with an alcoholic, gambler, prostitute, or pro-choice activist without condoning what they do. Ever heard of a little thing called Christian love? "Hate the sin, not the sinner?" That's what Huckabee is saying. This is just another fake controversy meant to distract us from some of the more disconcerting aspects of Huckabee's platform: his support for Common Core, the Dream Act, and the smoking ban. That's where our focus should be, imo. Not this.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, the key words being happen to you. Not choose.

Once something like that happens to you you are in position to make a choice. I thought that point was obvious but I guess nothing that makes sense is obvious to you. Here is the point you are glibly ignoring. Your whole basis for argument is a fallacy. Just because someone has no reason to what to choose to make a change in what he/she likes doesn't mean that person is incapable of making choices that affect what he/she likes. Back to your music example again. I already gave examples about why someone might choose to try to like a type of music that, up until that point, they didn't like. On the flipside someone can choose not to ever give a particular genre' of music a chance to see if he/she might possibly ever like it.

You keep arguing against something I'm not claiming. I'm not saying you can't acquire a taste in things. But even if you try and give something a chance, whether or not it actually works is not something that you decide.

Stupid argument by you is stupid. If you decided to try you made a decision.

I've never really heard anyone try to argue that homosexuality is an acquired taste. Most people don't become gay because they had gay sex so much that they acquire a taste for it. Straight people don't have to learn to be straight.

It's possible to "acquire a taste" for something in different ways. Most people who are gay who's backstories I know had quite traumatic childhoods. Anyway, this is all anecdotal BS. I have no hard facts and neither do you. You have your opinion I have mine. My opinion simply is that there is not enough information for anybody to really know so who the hell cares? If you really want to force your opinion on others then why don't you get a grant and do some research on the subject?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Well, Alcohol is not banned anymore with the repeal of Prohibition.

I'm not sure I follow if he is saying Gay Marriage should be treated the same.

No one is demanding to marry their booze.

 

[jmdrake]

One could theoretically acquire a taste for shit, but what on earth would prompt one to try.....

That's the conclusion I came to when one of my HS friends pressured me to try a beer he received in a trade for a perfectly good lockblade. I told him it tasted awful. He said "Well at first, but it's an acquired taste." No offense intended to beer lovers of the world.

 

[jmdrake]

FYI.. this was in response to a completely loaded question about the supposed "disconnect" between having gay friends and supporting traditional marriage. Just thought I'd mention that. Huckabee hit it out of the ballpark on this one, if you actually watch his response:



CNN clearly went out of its way to misrepresent his views on the matter. Just because you believe someone is a sinner or have lifestyle preferences that clash with theirs doesn't mean you can't be friends with them. You can be friends with an alcoholic, gambler, prostitute, or pro-choice activist without condoning what they do. Ever heard of a little thing called Christian love? "Hate the sin, not the sinner?" That's what Huckabee is saying. This is just another fake controversy meant to distract us from some of the more disconcerting aspects of Huckabee's platform: his support for Common Core, the Dream Act, and the smoking ban. That's where our focus should be, imo. Not this.

Wow! Thanks for posting this. "There are some people who really like classical music, ballet and opera, it's not really my cup of tea." Imagine if CNN had run with the headline "Huckabee compares being gay to classical music, ballet and opera."

 

[Crashland]

Once something like that happens to you you are in position to make a choice. I thought that point was obvious but I guess nothing that makes sense is obvious to you. Here is the point you are glibly ignoring. Your whole basis for argument is a fallacy. Just because someone has no reason to what to choose to make a change in what he/she likes doesn't mean that person is incapable of making choices that affect what he/she likes. Back to your music example again. I already gave examples about why someone might choose to try to like a type of music that, up until that point, they didn't like. On the flipside someone can choose not to ever give a particular genre' of music a chance to see if he/she might possibly ever like it.

Choosing to expose yourself to something to give it a chance is not the same as choosing to like it.

Stupid argument by you is stupid. If you decided to try you made a decision.

Actually, a stupid argument goes like this: "You decided to try X, therefore you decided that you enjoy doing X."

It's possible to "acquire a taste" for something in different ways. Most people who are gay who's backstories I know had quite traumatic childhoods. Anyway, this is all anecdotal BS. I have no hard facts and neither do you. You have your opinion I have mine. My opinion simply is that there is not enough information for anybody to really know so who the hell cares? If you really want to force your opinion on others then why don't you get a grant and do some research on the subject?

So what if traumatic childhoods influences people? Does that mean being gay is a choice? Actually, there has been a large amount of research done on the subject from many independent sources, and while there has not been a singular genetic or environmental cause discovered, it is very consistent across the board that sexual orientation is not something that a person freely chooses. And outside of the science, this should be obvious to you if you never willingly chose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex.