How to convert a pro-war McCainster

KevinR

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My stepdad keeps raving on that if we get out of the war that the terrorists will just attack us here...and also thinks we should just nuke them :/ he doesn't like mccain, just that he hates everyone else even more, and says ron has 0% chance :[ any help?
 
Remind him that our wide open border leaves us open to attack regardless of Iraq. War in Iraq does nothing to prevent Osama bin Laden from sending his worker bees to Mexico City.
 
Tell him to read about the history of the US in that region, then ask him if he thinks we are helping or making things worse by staying there.

Better yet, just inform him that Saddam and Osama were built, trained, and funded by the US and ask him why the US supports overthrowing governments, murderous dictators, and proxy wars. Be sure to explain that the "terrorists" never hated us for freedoms, but our foreign policy.

Then, if that doesn't work, ask him if $6000 or more out of his salary is worth the wars and military expansion, because that's where the money is going.

And if that doesn't work, ask him why he thinks it is better to stay over there when our borders are completely open.

If none of these work, he is beyond logic and reason.

Unfortunately, he sounds like the typical person in my precinct. I thought that because where I am (close to a military base) that I'd be able to garner some Paul supporters here. So far it has been McCain, McCain, McCain.....:P

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Ask your stepdad if he saw a snake on the ground would he go over poke at it or would he just mind his own business and leave it alone. If he did poke at it and it bit him would he deem the snake aggressive and start a campaign, no matter how expensive and costly in human life, to eradicate all snakes? This is the flawed logic of American foreign policy. We have over 700 bases in over 130 countries, does this sound necessary? Ask him if feels like we need to protect Germany, Italy, Japan, etc. There may be a time when the US is no longer on top, with the rise of China, and India, how would he feel to see the Chinese set up military bases on our soil. It would probably create some animosity. Why should we tell anyone how to live?
On the notion of the electability of Ron Paul, if John Mc Cain is a shoe in, then he does not need your stepdad’s vote. Why not cast a vote based on principle, ask him if he believes principles still matter.
 
My stepdad keeps raving on that if we get out of the war that the terrorists will just attack us here...and also thinks we should just nuke them :/ he doesn't like mccain, just that he hates everyone else even more, and says ron has 0% chance :[ any help?

Tell him that Russia's head general of the military stated that it will use nuclear weapons to defend itself and its allies. One ally being the PEACEFUL FUCKING NATION of Iran.
 
I keep bringing up our 2000 mile wide back door, that if these alleged terrorists really wanted to hurt us, they'd just enter in there.

Older Neocons remember the old 'Communist' Boogiemen that turned out to be all for naught.
 
Withdrawal would lead to chaos? As long as we're there, violence will remain high, since we're the target:

"Attacks against British and Iraqi forces have plunged by 90 percent in southern Iraq since London withdrew its troops from the main city of Basra, the commander of British forces there said Thursday."

Nation-building strengthens our national defense? Quite the contrary, it weakens us by spreading us thin, bankrupting us, and galvanizing people to take up arms against us:

"The U.S. military isn't ready for a catastrophic attack on the country, and National Guard forces don't have the equipment or training they need for the job, a commission charged by Congress reported Thursday."

Since we haven't raised taxes to fight this war and maintain this overall foreign policy of policing other countries, how do you think we get the money? That's right, we borrow from Communist China, which means they have us by our economic testicles and can tell us what to do at the threat of calling us on our debt to them. Between that and inflating our money supply, our currency collapses. As we learned from the Soviet Union (and every other empire in history), when the economy collapses, so does the military strength.

Ron Paul gets more donations from veterans and members of our military than all other Republican candidates combined, and more than any candidate of either party. They understand that his foreign policy positions make the most sense (and is supported by research, read up on "blowback"). Meddling in the internal affairs of other countries was happening before 9/11.

Remember how the Republicans viciously criticized Clinton for going into Haiti, Kosovo, etc.? Remember how we supported the overthrow of the Shah, only to have? Remember how we backed bin Laden and al-Qaeda when they were fighting the Soviets? Hell, remember how we buddied up with Saddam-led Iraq for several years, even allowing him to acquire from us the WMDs we would later berate him for having?

Well, considering Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had far fewer terrorists before the invasion, was much more stable before the invasion, and was under secular rule before the invasion, this is nothing more than a continuation of those same ill-conceived Democrat-concocted policies (read up on "neoconservatives," aka leftists who slowly took over the upper echelons of the GOP and used to be laughed at as "the crazies").

Ron Paul had it right when he pondered aloud in one of the debates something along the lines of "we borrow $10 billion from the Chinese, give it to a military dictator in Pakistan who we're now working to undermine, even as we promote democracy in Iraq."

And we don't even bother to look for bin Laden anymore, despite the fact he's probably in the mountains between a country we occupy and a supposed ally of ours whose military dictatorship we fund. That's why Paul has put forth legislation to use letters of marque and reprisal to hunt down and kill or bring to justice bin Laden and other members of al-Qaeda. Terrorism requires small-scale, tactical operations with an emphasis on intelligence-gathering and human resources, not the wholesale invasion and occupation of entire countries.

Even Ronald Reagan decried nation-building, and learned firsthand its follies when he pulled troops out of Lebanon, saying in his memoirs that he would never have had them there in the first place if he had fully understood how irrational the region's politics are.

"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country." - Ronald Reagan

Speaking of conservative icons, Barry Goldwater Jr., son of the equally conservative Republican who paved the way for Reagan, has endorsed his former congressional colleague Ron Paul, as well as campaigned for him.

Also, if you want further examples of how a belligerent foreign policy can have counterproductive results, you need only read about how the president of Iran is losing favor with Iran's actual ruler:

"There are numerous possible reasons for Ahmadinejad's loss of support, but analysts here all point to one overriding factor: the U.S. National Intelligence Report last month, which said that Iran suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003 in response to international pressure. The report sharply decreased the threat of a military strike against Iran, allowing the authorities to focus on domestic issues, with important parliamentary elections looming in March."

he doesn't like mccain, just that he hates everyone else even more, and says ron has 0% chance

John McCain has a 90.9% chance of winning the GOP nomination according to the election prediction markets, which have a better predictive track record than polling, at the time that I write this. Why vote for a sure winner? At least cast a protest vote. Paul will probably outlast both Huckabee and Romney to become McCain's only remaining rival.

By the way, McCain has flip-flopped on his position regarding withdrawal from the occupation of other countries.

Ron Paul would put America first by securing our borders, strengthening our military, and following a foreign policy of national DEFENSE, which doesn't involve us getting mired in far-off lands while we're being bankrupt and left wide open to attack here at home. We should have the ability to quickly and forcefully respond to attacks or imminent threats, but otherwise we should leave everyone else alone. Anything else is not conservative, not American, and not wise.
 
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If You Can't Convert 'Em

Just convince them to stay home and not vote for anyone. Just one less vote a Paul supporter has to make up for.
 
Sorry if this is a repost, but the Military support Ron Paul. :-)

DIGG IT HERE... http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Q4_FEC_Reports_Ron_Paul_Receives_More_Military_Donations_Th

February 3, 2008 11:45 am EST

Q4 FEC Reports: Ron Paul Receives More Military Donations Than All Other Republicans Combined

Total military donations nearly as much as the total of all other remaining candidates - Republican and Democrat

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to newly released FEC reports, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has received more military donations than the other three remaining Republican candidates combined.

"The latest numbers make it clear: the troops support Ron Paul," said Ron Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Dr. Paul has worked his entire career working for veterans, and has many awards and endorsements due to his dedication to their cause."

A search of the FEC database by employer reveals that Dr. Paul has received 1160 donations from military donors, nearly triple that of John McCain, and more than McCain, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee combined.

Dr. Paul's total military donations of $249 thousand are almost as much as the $260 thousand of combined donations received by the other five remaining candidates.

Congressman Paul is no stranger to military support. Former president Ronald Reagan once said, "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country!"

According to the FEC reports, these are the total number and amount of military donations for each of the presidential candidates*:

Ron Paul: 1160 $249k
John McCain: 438 $83k
Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k
Mitt Romney: 126 $24k
Barack Obama: 443 $76k
Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k

*Methodology: Searched FEC reports for occupation/employer contains: "Army" "Navy" "USN" "USAF" "Air Force" "Marine" "USMC" "Coast Guard" "USCG" then removed duplicates and non-military occupations (i.e. "marine repair")
 
I like Mike
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My stepdad keeps raving on that if we get out of the war that the terrorists will just attack us here...and also thinks we should just nuke them :/ he doesn't like mccain, just that he hates everyone else even more, and says ron has 0% chance :[ any help?

Osama bin Laden stated that, to bring USA down on its knees, one has to bankrkupt it. That is what he is doing and, as he is getting more and more US troops on the middle eastern ground, we go deeper and deeper in debt, thus getting closer and closer to a financial defeat - the only way this country will ever be defeated.
 
Show your stepdad these 3 videos and ask him what he thinks about them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&v3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-lYKrQPgZM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41CpnoAfbV4

McCain wants to increase the size of the military...ask him if he's happy about the possibility of a draft

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20080131092802AAH6pnt

Ask him if he supports another dirty old man cheating adulterer like Bill Clinton...McCain dumped the mother of his children for an attractive woman 17 years younger than him back in 1980

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

Also tell him to read this post

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1131914&postcount=18
 
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Shoot him in the head.

He is now fertilizer.

Conversion complete.

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Tell him if he thinks Iran is such a huge threat that we need to destroy our country and its future to fight them then he needs to join the army or STFU
 
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