How to be good wife in 1955

[acptulsa]

ah the good old days. once the libertarian faction takes control of this country we will use the invisible hand to bring societal norms back to this point

I want whatever you're smoking.

The libertarian invisible hand. That's right up there with military intelligence, compassionate neoconism and all the other greatest oxymorons.

 

[Dr.3D]

Perhaps people just need to look up the meaning of 'husband'.

 

[brandon]

I think most of the advice in the original post is good advice. Some of the points take it a little too far (For example I don't think it's okay for a husband to stay out all night without telling his wife).

I think society would be much better if women still tried be a 1955 good wife. It seems like ever since the feminism movement starting having success, women stopped valuing their role as a wife and a mother. Gender roles became blurred as women tried to become men. Ultimately it led to our current society where we have a 50% divorce rate and children that are raised by the daycare center and public schools.

Of course men need to know their place also. Men need to know their role is that of a protector and a provider. A lot of modern men have become lazy, corrupt, and irresponsible.

 

[acptulsa]

I think the feminism movement corrected an injustice. All people should receive equal pay for equal work. That said, I think it was very convenient for the upper echelons as well. Nothing like a feminism movement to enable you to lower everyone's standard of living to the point where both parents have to work, or are likely to work. Certainly eliminates those pesky home schoolers...

 

[MsDoodahs]

My personal view....

The feminist movement, for a long time, bashed women who wanted to stay home and be "traditional" (or 1950s ish) wives.

That insistence on conformity with what they professed to have been their goal (equality) caused some (like me) to view them and their leaders with disdain - I am a free individual and if I CHOOSE to stay home and be a traditional wife, a true WOMEN'S ADVOCATE would applaud me for being able to make that choice.

As to the goal of that whole movement...something about getting mommas away from their babies...destruction of the nuclear family....increasing the tax base...

The whole damned thing was a big old TRICK and American women fell for it.

 

[acptulsa]

I remember it well. Women who advocated a traditional role in a family certainly did receive more vitriol than they deserved. To say that there was peer pressure would be one of the Twentieth Century's greatest understatements.

As I recall, it was only a very small portion of the population who argued against equal pay for equal work. Even so, some people managed to make the issue extremely divisive. How working women, from the butch types to 'old maids' to widows whose husbands neglected to get life insurance, and all those young ladies who hadn't met their 'Mr. Right' yet, getting paid properly for working their fingers to the bone could be a threat to wives and mothers I still don't understand, but that's how it was portrayed by many. Divisiveness for no good reason at all--and from both sides of the issue.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I remember it well. Women who advocated a traditional role in a family certainly did receive more vitriol than they deserved. To say that there was peer pressure would be one of the Twentieth Century's greatest understatements.

As I recall, it was only a very small portion of the population who argued against equal pay for equal work. Even so, some people managed to make the issue extremely divisive. How working women, from the butch types to 'old maids' to widows whose husbands neglected to get life insurance, and all those young ladies who hadn't met their 'Mr. Right' yet, getting paid properly for working their fingers to the bone could be a threat to wives and mothers I still don't understand, but that's how it was portrayed by many. Divisiveness for no good reason at all--and from both sides of the issue.

And through that divisiveness - by way of the undeserved vitriol and ridicule dished out to women who attempted to advocate the traditional role - for no good reason at all - the "movement" succeeded, and the result - again this is just my personal view - has been extremely detrimental on our society.

 

[acptulsa]

It has certainly had its bad points. The children have not benefitted. And if wives and mothers had not entered the workforce en masse, I sincerely doubt tptb could have gotten away with eroding our pay through inflation the way they have.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I think a lot of the men on this forum tend to have me all wrong. I am not so much a 'feminist,' as some would think. I value equal pay for equal work, and I push equality in many things.

I don't scowl at women who stay at home and devote their lives to their family, as long as it is their choice to make. It should not be pushed on them; as no job should be pushed on anyone. Men shouldn't feel pushed to work their entire lives either, if they do not wish to do that. When society is run by people who love doing what they do, and they don't just do it for the hell of it, it operates best imho.

Me personally, I have a calling to practice medicine. It is (so far) what is guaranteeing me the most happiness. I wouldn't have a problem and actually want to spend time with my children when I am good and ready to have them. With all the medical papers I have read and studied, I would like to breastfeed, and staying home is really the only option I have for that.

It's somewhat shameful that libertarians, who support liberty for all, believe in pushing certain things on certain people. What happened to personal choice? You are doing to other people exactly what the government has been doing to the people for years. There's nothing wrong with a woman working, there is nothing with a woman staying home. There is nothing wrong with a man working, or a man staying home.

As long as those individuals made those choices themselves, I see how no harm can come from it. Once you start forcing different roles and status' to different genders, with only the permission and want of one person in the relationship, things start to spoil. A mother who doesn't want to stay home will not make a good mother staying home if it is forced on her. Same with a man who would like more time with the kids and not work a 9-5 job every single day. There are weights on the shoulders of both sexes that can and should be helped by their spouses, girlfriend/boyfriend.

 

[MsDoodahs]

It has certainly had its bad points. The children have not benefitted. And if wives and mothers had not entered the workforce en masse, I sincerely doubt tptb could have gotten away with eroding our pay through inflation the way they have.

Ding ding ding WE HAVE A WINNER.

 

[acptulsa]

Of course, the worst part is that, for all that has been given up in its name, women still don't get equal pay for equal work. In fact, the numbers suggest that damned precious little has changed in that department.

That, to me, is the unkindest cut of all.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Of course, the worst part is that, for all that has been given up in its name, women still don't get equal pay for equal work. In fact, the numbers suggest that damned precious little has changed in that department.

That, to me, is the unkindest cut of all.

Well, 'feminists' are too busy worrying about abortion to care about the actual old-school feminist causes (such as equal pay).

They have made a mockery of women's rights and because of them, we are pretty much going backward.

I think Susan B and E Stanton are rolling in their graves.

 

[newtoforums]

I think most of the advice in the original post is good advice. Some of the points take it a little too far (For example I don't think it's okay for a husband to stay out all night without telling his wife).

I think society would be much better if women still tried be a 1955 good wife. It seems like ever since the feminism movement starting having success, women stopped valuing their role as a wife and a mother. Gender roles became blurred as women tried to become men. Ultimately it led to our current society where we have a 50% divorce rate and children that are raised by the daycare center and public schools.

Of course men need to know their place also. Men need to know their role is that of a protector and a provider. A lot of modern men have become lazy, corrupt, and irresponsible.

Why should men do what you feel like they should do?

Maybe men are tired of being nothing more than beasts of burdens.

Why are you only attacking lazy, corrupt, and irresponsible men?



Do traditional gender roles allow women to be this?

Should men ignore any bad things women do out of chivalry?

Men are not prouder/protectors anymore but that is a good thing.

Maybe there is more to life than taking care of a grown woman.




I never understood the equal choice thing though.

Men have two options

1. Work full time and overtime
2. get dumped


Women can

1. Work full time
2. work part time
3. work from home
4. be a sahm
5. switch between any of these options

 

[newtoforums]

Of course, the worst part is that, for all that has been given up in its name, women still don't get equal pay for equal work. In fact, the numbers suggest that damned precious little has changed in that department.

That, to me, is the unkindest cut of all.

Yes you do.


You do realize men and women have different work habits.



Men are more likely to stick to one job, work weekends, work overtime .


A woman working full time works less hours than a man who works full time.

Men on average work 10-20 hrs more per week.

If you want to get paid like a man start working the schedule of a man.



Answer this:

if women make less, why hire men?

 

[acptulsa]

You do realize men and women have different work habits.

Nope. News to me. I've seen both good and bad work ethics displayed by both men and women. Seen both my whole life.

Oh, just realized that wasn't a question. You're making a statement. Well, my mistake. Seems you can't handle the truth.

If you want to get paid like a man start working the schedule of a man.

Um, dude, I am a man and get worked like one. But that doesn't mean I get paid enough to support a family the way men in the fifties and sixties were. Which was kind of my point--a point you missed.

 

[MsDoodahs]

But that doesn't mean I get paid enough to support a family the way men in the fifties and sixties were. Which was kind of my point--a point you missed.

In the fifties and sixties...

How many bedrooms were in the average home?

How many bathrooms?

How many televisions did a family own?

Not saying it does not take more to have even the simplest things today - it does.

But one aspect that bothers me is that today, a lot of americans do not distinguish between what is a WANT and what is a NEED.

 

[acptulsa]

True. Cable television a necessity? Don't know whether to laugh or cry about that one...

 

[MsDoodahs]

True. Cable television a necessity? Don't know whether to laugh or cry about that one...

OMG I KNOW!

 

[Uriel999]

But the interwebs IS a neccessity!

 

[kathy88]

Why should men do what you feel like they should do?

Maybe men are tired of being nothing more than beasts of burdens.

Why are you only attacking lazy, corrupt, and irresponsible men?



Do traditional gender roles allow women to be this?

Should men ignore any bad things women do out of chivalry?

Men are not prouder/protectors anymore but that is a good thing.

Maybe there is more to life than taking care of a grown woman.




I never understood the equal choice thing though.

Men have two options

1. Work full time and overtime
2. get dumped


Women can

1. Work full time
2. work part time
3. work from home
4. be a sahm
5. switch between any of these options

Methinks you have just chosen badly. This isn't how it is. My husband works a job where he is frequently laid off and I am the "breadwinner" until he goes back. He deals with house/kids until then. Then I can take in less work and pay more attention to the house/kids.